TankHunter Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Well, i think it all comes down to the kill count. Some people will say they do not know how to use the T-62 or T-72, but when it all comes down to it, they just want to have a double digit kill count at the end of the scenario (as if it is relevant against those threats...). But there is nothing like that feeling that you get from killing an M1 with a T-62 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dejawolf Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 yeah, what tankhunter said. nothing like sneaking up on an abrams from behind a hill, and plopping a 115mm into it's side. take that you overcomputerized depleted uranium monster! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asid Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt DeFault Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Fine...To be clear, I didn't mean to imply anyone in particular in that post. Apologies if it sounded that way. :redface: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjay Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 The omission of "unknown" (=missing data) like a 3D interior of the Challenger is however something entirely different from filling in the blank spots with fantasy and speculation. That is something that we usually try to avoid. Understood. I'm all in favour of avoiding fantasy and speculation except in certain very specific situations that are nothing to do with SB or even computer gaming. If it's a choice between nothing and an approximation, I think the majority would opt for the approximation and be grateful for it. Unfortunately, those who then start moaning that a certain feature of a certain model doesn't chime with their perception of it generally have the loudest voices. Also, would I be right in thinking that as a defense contractor, eSim simply can't use 'data' that has escaped into the public domain when it is still (rightly or wrongly) classified by the government in question? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjay Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 To be clear, I didn't mean to imply anyone in particular in that post. Apologies if it sounded that way. :redface: NP. Didn't take it that way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjay Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I probably would not even bother with scenarios like that.I read a lot of the AAR reviews posted, and the scenarios that I see pretty much ignore a much broader range of possibilities, for example, players with T-62s and T-55s versus M60 or Leopard I tanks, or even scenarios where one force of T-62s aren't facing enemy tanks at all. Whenever I watch them, the outcome seem predictable, one side beats up on another with the best tanks. Maybe this is partly due to the fact that there are more playable modern vehicles simulated, or maybe because players want to be assured to get that kill as the big payoff. Most of the scenarios I set up for myself these days use the older equipment, and it tends to play out much differently when kills tend to take place under 2 km. Because the tanks of older generations are much more vulnerable even to simple HEAT warheads and infantry, it's a different ballgame insofar as staying alive is concerned and the skill required. Maybe one day we will have the means to hunt T-62s with M60s.I withdraw my original remark. In the right terrain, hunting a SEP with a T62 could be a lot of fun. And as Tank Hunter has pointed out, immensely satifying if you are successful. Probably beyond the skill set of the majority tho.I agree that missions that pit the latest US armour against obsolete European and WP kit are pointless - and a high kill ratio counts for nothing. DoW uses the SEP quite a lot as the majority of our members are American. But most often against the T80 and T90, and the latest versions of the Leopard. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Colossus Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I think a lot of the scenarios I see are rather piecemeal in their employment of the vehicles. Like BMP-3 platoon attacks, then is wiped out. Then BLUE encounters dug in T-90 platoon, that is wiped out. Then BLUE marches to waypoint, finds an infantry squad, then wiped out. Result: Total BLUE victory, game over. They almost seem to be set up so that contact happens in a distinct linear progression in order to submit a victorious AAR that way. With little variation, that is what many of them look like. To be fair, I don't have the time to watch the hour long videos, so those may reveal something different.Using default APFSDS ammunition, the M60 is very difficult to beat with a T-62 at any range- HEAT ammunition is about your only chance. An M60 often gets to fire first, it gets to fire more often between reload cycles. Sneaking up on one still gets you killed more often than not. It's a very good challenge without relying on 'luck,' there is still more skill involved in ranging and hitting with HEAT. Interestingly, there were cases in OIF of Type 69 tanks giving headaches to US Army and Marine units when they got behind US lines, however, you generally don't expect them to really get that near an armored unit in the first place. They were usually detected first or shortly after they made any kinds of threatening moves- the kinds of armies which deploy T-62 tanks as a frontline MBT probably have severe gaps in their awareness of the overall picture, since that would probably be a reflection of its overall capabilities in terms of their ability to gather and use information as well. Consequently, they were often picked up and destroyed from the air before they even got within range of Coalition tanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 T-62 is a tanker's tank. Daskal would agree right? You know, I'd love to see a movie about the '73 war in the style of the beast of war. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Colossus Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Well, I thought The Beast was kind of a dull movie. I would certainly watch an October War/Yom Kippur film, though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asid Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 M1A2sep platoons moving in column formation. Viewed through night vision. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CharlieB Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Not screen shots, but a couple of recent pictures of my Sqn out on Salisbury Plain, 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithcorp Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Nice. Thanks for sharing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacom Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Not screen shots, but a couple of recent pictures of my Sqn out on Salisbury Plain,Different paint scheme? :confused: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjay Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Not screen shots, but a couple of recent pictures of my Sqn out on Salisbury Plain, You'd be very welcome at TANKS and/or DoW sessions at 19:00Z on Saturday and Sunday evenings. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDF Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Not screen shots, but a couple of recent pictures of my Sqn out on Salisbury Plain,Ooooh! Like the camo in the first one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusty Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Ooooh! Like the camo in the first one.There's a skin for the CR2 that is very similar,http://www.steelbeasts.com/Downloads/p13_sectionid/323/p13_fileid/2385 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieB Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 I will probably not make tonight. But I hope to make the DoW on Sunday. TACOM, the paint scheme is for the demo squadron. The rest of the UKs fleet is mainly plain green to allow it to painted to whatever might be required... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daskal Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 T-62 is a tanker's tank.Daskal would agree right? Abso-bloody-lutely! All those electic gizmos get on my nerves in the western tanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connaugh Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 From Sunday Night. Mine-Clearing Tank destroyed by mine after trying to go around disabled Bradley. Connaugh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Oops 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacbat Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Abso-bloody-lutely! All those electic gizmos get on my nerves in the western tanks. I guess that's what happens when you play too much Panzer Elite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 From Sunday Night.Mine-Clearing Tank destroyed by mine after trying to go around disabled Bradley. Connaugh Fail. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacbat Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Maybe it was from the rocks around it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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