DrDevice Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 A good read re: armor in built up areas : http://www.cgsc.edu/carl/download/csipubs/gott_tanks.pdfRead the Grozny and Falujah chapters for some comparison. I agree w/ Ssnake in that the Syrians are pushing in all-armor and lack the house-to-house clear-and-hold taken in Falujah. Whether that is doctrine, or forced on them by resource availability, or the will to risk the troops, who knows. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrapper_511 Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 A good read re: armor in built up areas : http://www.cgsc.edu/carl/download/csipubs/gott_tanks.pdfThank you DrDevice. It's been an excellent read so far. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted March 21, 2013 Members Share Posted March 21, 2013 Moved the last six posts to this thread over here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmbpdk Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 POV from T-72gRfIEyBa4kc waiting eagerly for a Dev to write: "how did you find the trailer for the new SB?" :debile2: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjay Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 Seems to me that if you are going to use tanks and/or AIFVs in an urban environment which precludes any of the crew exposing themselves in order to use external weapons such as the commander's .50 cal MG, the ideal upgrade would be a remote weapon system that can be aimed and fired from the buttoned up position. I would have thought that this type of modification would be quite simple to install, but I have never seen one, so is there something I am missing here? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrapper_511 Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 I imagine a non-turreted weapon system would get easily thrashed. I mean, just looking at the condition of some of those T72's, they are beat to hell. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TankHunter Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Some addon turret armor and improved side skirts.R0hD6T6Ke5E Anyone speak Russian? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Seems to me that if you are going to use tanks and/or AIFVs in an urban environment which precludes any of the crew exposing themselves in order to use external weapons such as the commander's .50 cal MG, the ideal upgrade would be a remote weapon system that can be aimed and fired from the buttoned up position. I would have thought that this type of modification would be quite simple to install, but I have never seen one, so is there something I am missing here? [sarcasm] Have you SEEN the inside of a T-72??![/sarcasm] Seriously, Tjay there is no way in hell you would be able to mount an Enforcer or Lemur on a T-72, Okay the Gun mount itself would fit OK, but the HMI is another matter, the Screen is a large thick PC Monitor in size, but the Control handles are the Bulkiest component, internally. (Basically Modified CV9030 Controls.) You could possibly mount on on the TC's side but you would take away most of his toys: TC Peri Radio Breathing space etc. etc. etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rump Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 (edited) Seriously, Tjay there is no way in hell you would be able to mount an Enforcer or Lemur on a T-72, Okay the Gun mount itself would fit OK, but the HMI is another matter, the Screen is a large thick PC Monitor in size, but the Control handles are the Bulkiest component, internally. (Basically Modified CV9030 Controls.) Well, it has been tried: PT-91M, which is based on a T-72 Edited March 26, 2013 by rump 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjay Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Well, it has been tried: PT-91M, which is based on a T-72 That's exactly what I was thinking of. Undoubtedly the better option is to use a vehicle specifically designed for urban warfare, but this mod looks like it could be a great interim measure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marko Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 The Russian terminator was built for urban warfare. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjay Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 The Russian terminator was built for urban warfare.Have you applied for some for the regiment, Glorious Leader? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TankHunter Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Have you applied for some for the regiment, Glorious Leader?Might need some for the .sce I'm cooking up. :twisted: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marko Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 (edited) Have you applied for some for the regiment, Glorious Leader?Due to budget cuts we will have to use the BTR-80 BRDM. Till the update.LoLIts such a Rare vehicle i did-ant add it to my numerous entry's to the Update wish list.Not sure but i think the Russians only built a few.I have no idea how effective it would beBut it looks the part. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QB5imc6wIss Edited March 27, 2013 by Marko 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dejawolf Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Well, it has been tried: PT-91M, which is based on a T-72 that's just a regular pintle mount, not an RWS. however, there's this: and this: although it's got more in common with the M1A1 abrams cupola. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rump Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 that's just a regular pintle mount, not an RWS. Oops, I think I got it confused with this (PT-72u): 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 EHH??!! The commander can select ammunition on a T-72??!! HERESY! And Advanced Diagnostics? "System works " "System doesn't work " On an M1A1(HA) its a bit easier. But the Loader needs more maintenance. "Ow. I bumped my head." "I'm Hungry." "I need a wee." :biggrin: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rump Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 On the Challenger: " Boiling Vessel down, Sir!!!" *Turret wide panic* "Abandon tank!!" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 On the Challenger: " Boiling Vessel down, Sir!!!" *Turret wide panic* "Abandon tank!!" Well, you can't fight without Tea now, can you? Its just not Cricket. (Dammit I should have gotten a picture of that. ) (Or Coffee for you continental types) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjay Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Much more like it. I would be most interested to know if any Western arms manufacturers are currently developing purpose-designed heavy vehicles for urban and counter-insurgency warfare. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rump Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Well, you can't fight without Tea now, can you?Its just not Cricket. (Dammit I should have gotten a picture of that. ) (Or Coffee for you continental types) That would be an abomination. Much more like it. I would be most interested to know if any Western arms manufacturers are currently developing purpose-designed heavy vehicles for urban and counter-insurgency warfare. Sure, the MRAP program, the M1 Tusk, the Leopard 2 PSO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Killjoy Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Sure, the MRAP program, the M1 Tusk, the Leopard 2 PSO...Challenger 2 TESOn the Challenger:" Boiling Vessel down, Sir!!!"*Turret wide panic*"Abandon tank!!I know I would be panicking! :eek2: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rump Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 And the Syrian T-72 MOUT version:R0hD6T6Ke5E#! :eek2: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 And the Syrian T-72 MOUT version::eek2: Hey, Didn't the Russians do this in 1940s? You know that small scuffle they had between 1941-45? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rump Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Hey, Didn't the Russians do this in 1940s?You know that small scuffle they had between 1941-45? Or, for more recent examples, google "Hillbilly Armor"... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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