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Red side:eek2:

That's a lot of stuff.

I'm putting it all on the map in SB, and, er, I'm running out of companies....

Got the 3 tank regiments, and 1 battalion of the 290th

Can probably get the other 2 inf regiments on, but they won't have much support.

:eek2:

(And let me get this straight, the Soviets had this, times 7 based in Europe.......Ouch)

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The missions will not go over the Sqn/Coy plus level, so no need for all of the above units in the mission at the same time. :cool3:

Both sides have the units, and will pick from mission to mission to bring into play based on the mission, and resources available.

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That's a lot of stuff.

I'm putting it all on the map in SB, and, er, I'm running out of companies....

Got the 3 tank regiments, and 1 battalion of the 290th

Can probably get the other 2 inf regiments on, but they won't have much support.

:eek2:

(And let me get this straight, the Soviets had this, times 7 based in Europe.......Ouch)

Did you use all the slots in each company.

I have gone away from using 1/A, 2/A, 3/A, CO/A instead to use 1/A 2/A 3/A 4/A (Simulating the CO), 5/A 6/A 7/A 8/A (CO) etc. all the way to the Battalion commander who is CO/A instead of the company commander.

Then you have a battalion for each company with nearly all slots in each company used.

That's 9 battalions A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L,M for 3 regiments but yeah, as I write this I can see that might be too little for so many units.

But then you can always create a new side and repeat the process :bigsmile:

PM sent, I might be happy with some recce/recon :)

Question? Were the map in First Clash based on any real location? I know Rastatt is part of the terrain but after thoroughly looking at the area, I can see that the cities don't line up as on the map in the book, so it looked like a fictional account of the map.

Any info on that? is that true?

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Did you use all the slots in each company.

I have gone away from using 1/A, 2/A, 3/A, CO/A instead to use 1/A 2/A 3/A 4/A (Simulating the CO), 5/A 6/A 7/A 8/A (CO) etc. all the way to the Battalion commander who is CO/A instead of the company commander.

Then you have a battalion for each company with nearly all slots in each company used.

That's 9 battalions A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L,M for 3 regiments but yeah, as I write this I can see that might be too little for so many units.

But then you can always create a new side and repeat the process :bigsmile:

PM sent, I might be happy with some recce/recon :)

Question? Were the map in First Clash based on any real location? I know Rastatt is part of the terrain but after thoroughly looking at the area, I can see that the cities don't line up as on the map in the book, so it looked like a fictional account of the map.

Any info on that? is that true?

Yes, it's the same area. The book's maps are for obvious reasons not exact, in fact they are backwards:cool3:. Google maps has the correct ,as well as the map I created for this and the last campaign are real.

The students in 4CMBG used the real ground for their missions.

We in the 1CAD have been doing missions based on the map, Dark has the map for the red side to get a a look on where they will end in burning heaps of metal, for the motherland of course.:1:

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Dark has the map for the red side to get a a look on where they will end in burning heaps of metal, for the motherland of course.

OK so I guess I need not worry then?

PM received, ack clarification. :)

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Ok, well I see the weekend suits most ppl here, so lets make the second Saterday Nov/9th our launch day:luxhello::luxhello:.

The Campaign is for 24 hours, split into 12 (-/+) segments ( 2 hours), of two phases.

A resupply/Recon phase and then a few hours/days later a combat phase:gun::gun:.

I wish to do, and depending on a few factors, that we do a complete segment (4 hrs) per week. If we need to move missions around I will give both CO's time to deal with issues:c:. However 1 segment a weekend is ideal:wink2:.

I"ll post the rules as soon as both Co's have looked them over. Later this week I'll post the roster also.

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Yes, it's the same area. The book's maps are for obvious reasons not exact, in fact they are backwards:cool3:. Google maps has the correct ,as well as the map I created for this and the last campaign are real.

The students in 4CMBG used the real ground for their missions.

We in the 1CAD have been doing missions based on the map, Dark has the map for the red side to get a a look on where they will end in burning heaps of metal, for the motherland of course.:1:

Don't you mean where we will sweep aside your decadent western crapmobiles with our gloriously efficient soviet engines of war?

:heu:

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Ok, well I see the weekend suits most ppl here, so lets make the second Sunday Nov/9th our launch day:luxhello::luxhello:.

You mean Saturday the 9th?

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General Outline of play

This campaign will be played for one 24hr battle in segments. The first mission of the time slot (weekend) will be a resupply/Recon mission for both sides.

The second times slot mission will be (if the sides chooses) will be where movement into combat takes place.

Two missions for one weekend/day till the end may not be every weekend. Each mission will be 120 minutes in duration.

As of now the rules for the campaign. :gun:

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Resupply/Recon Phase (R/R):

In this phase the side must move to resupply his forces in combat in both fuel, and ammo, vehicular replacement takes place also. If one side wishes to do recon, and if players and equipment is present, and operational, it may take place.

Resupplying requires forces from the rear to be moved to units/dumps, resupply areas etc., and should be under escort. This is due to the fact if a side loses some supply capability it will hamper his movement due to no fuel and loss of ammo. Resupply areas must be established from where resupplying units draw from, each side may build such areas, however the supplies still originate from the initial resupply point to all others up the chain.

In the (R/R) both sides will have a opportunity to interdict the other sides supply chain in the form of a small force, placed where due to his Intel on the route(s) of the attacking side.

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Combat Phase (CP):

In this phase based on the (R/R) both sides undertake combat with their available forces. Commander on both sides indicate which units they require through the (R/R) and now in place to carry out said combat. Both sides have a pool from which they may call up from, but only through the resupply phase from the rear area, nothing just appears on the battle field. Both sides should plan for units from rear holding areas to be moved to the mission areas. In additional to resupply damaged units/vehicles can be returned to the rear to be repaired for another mission under repair time rules. Destroyed tanks cannot be used again, dead is dead (on fire).

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Forward Lines of Engagement:FLOE

This FLOE is fluid, and depending on combat may change from mission to mission. The Campaign director will make known prior to each (R/R) a rough FLOE to both sides.

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Mission Size:

Mission size will not exceed 20 AFV’s. As a general rule a Troop of tanks and a Ptl of APC’s with some additional assets’ will be the norm. This will I hope increase players awareness due to no map update’s and the close nature of close combat in difficult terrain. Both commanders will have a difficult time controlling and direction of forces in larger numbers, if the missions see no issues, then forces would increase to reflect this.

Note: Arty (x4) does not count for total AFV's rule.

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Victory Conditions:

If the WARSAW Pact forces (1 Coy) reaches the western edge of the map by combat phase 12, they win. Nato (4CMBG) wins if it delays the WARSAW victory.

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Combat area:

The first (R/R) and (CP) will be directed by the Campaign director (CD) after that Soviet side will choose from a standard (TBD) size starting grid(s) to launch from. The (CD) will place the 4CMBG in the area in follow on missions. This will not be exactly in front of the Soviet’s; rather the 4CMBG’s recce must inform their CoC of any Intel they gather in the (R/R) if any.

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Insertion units (IF):

After the combat phase, and before their (R/R) each side will send the (CD) where he will place his (IF). In the following (R/R), they will become playable to each side to interdict if possible. Said forces will be given one grid to operate, no movement is allowed outside this area. Violations will cause a reduction in supply trucks in the form of one/one to the player. Once place they will remain in that grid, unless recovered and returned to a Sqn/Coy HQ to be deployed next phase after being re-supplied. (IF) units may be driven / flown, out of grid.

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Map updates:

Map updated will show for Sqn/Coy only and only if certain units still remain operational. Each side will have units designated essential to their Command and control, loose these units and comms go down till replacements are brought into the Sqn/Coy’s battle space (Area in which Sqn/Coy operates , drawn on the map around all of its units).

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Obstacles:

Obstacles are carried on designated carriers. Players are to confirm, and if said obstacles are to be used moved to the area, and placed with Engineer units. First obstacle is known to be with engineer unit. After first obstacle is placed, all others must come from designated supply vehicles, from a resupply area through the log chain.

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Aircraft:

Both sides will have helo’s. The Soviet side will have the same number as 4CBMG as not to off-set the balance of play. The following Campaign “Counter Stroke will be different in use and numbers”

Medical:

All injured (not Dead) pers moved back to the aid area designated by CO’s on map will recover for next (CP)

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Veh repairs:

Use med rule.

Disputes:

There will be none, jk’ing. (CD) shall meet with both CO’s and work out an issue fair to both sides.

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Insertion units (IF):

After the combat phase, and before their (R/R) each side will send the (CD) where he will place his (IF). In the following (R/R), they will become playable to each side to interdict if possible. Said forces will be given one grid to operate, no movement is allowed outside this area. Violations will cause a reduction in supply trucks in the form of one/one to the player. Once place they will remain in that grid, unless recovered and returned to a Sqn/Coy HQ to be deployed next phase after being re-supplied. (IF) units may be driven / flown, out of grid.

Aw man, No in game Helicopter insertion and free ranging Spetznaz/JSF??!!

Poo Doo.

Used right they'd be brilliant at recon. :sonic:

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