Gibsonm Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Some initial field trials suggest that the M1A2 SEP with CITV disabled provides the best "proxy" for the variant M1A1 (AIM) SA we use in Australia.However we don't have DU armour so I'm wondering if the M1A2 SEP protection model is "too good"?Of course if the M1A2 SEP sans CITV is the best option, I'll have to request an Australian skin.Thoughts / feedback? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacbat Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 I thought I saw Elvis once. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marko Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Some initial field trials suggest that the M1A2 SEP with CITV disabled provides the best "proxy" for the variant M1A1 (AIM) SA we use in Australia.However we don't have DU armour so I'm wondering if the M1A2 SEP protection model is "too good"?Of course if the M1A2 SEP sans CITV is the best option, I'll have to request an Australian skin.Thoughts / feedback?Just a guess but try comparing the Australian Army's Abrams' combat weight, with the US M1A2. that should give an indication. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted October 6, 2013 Author Share Posted October 6, 2013 Um no.There's more to it than that.But thanks for the thought though 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueSnake79 Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Of course, we all know DU>Tungsten. I would say what your using would basically have better performance against KE than the AU Abrams, but as far as SB goes, that the rest would be very close.We are going to have to get an Australian M1 in SB before its over with... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maj.Hans Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Gibson, I always figured that the M1A1/HA would be as close as you could get?Yes, it has DU armor, but it's modeled on the first generation DU armor. So let's assume that the Aussies replaced the DU they removed with something else, maybe ceramics, maybe tungsten, maybe vegemite, and call it good.Or, if they didn't add anything, then the normal M1A1 should be good.I know the electronics are different, but if you just hit F5...Personally I'd love to see both a modern period US M1A1 series (New DU armor, stabilized commander's .50 with thermals) and an M1A1/AU. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkcav39 Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Gibson, I always figured that the M1A1/HA would be as close as you could get?Yes, it has DU armor, but it's modeled on the first generation DU armor. So let's assume that the Aussies replaced the DU they removed with something else, maybe ceramics, maybe tungsten, maybe vegemite, and call it good.Yes, but using vegemite would give us an unfair advantage (it wouldn't be fair when playing MP for us to running around in a Super Tank) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted October 6, 2013 Author Share Posted October 6, 2013 I know the electronics are different, but if you just hit F5...Personally I'd love to see both a modern period US M1A1 series (New DU armor, stabilized commander's .50 with thermals) and an M1A1/AU. Well I'll leave the armour alone, I've tried to remain as vague as possible on that front. However, the new sight and FBCB2 implementation leaves the HA a long way behind. esp. as Marco keeps banging on about a challenge. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maj.Hans Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Well I'll leave the armour alone, I've tried to remain as vague as possible on that front.You win the medal or something for vagueness, awarded in first, or second, or quite possibly some other class or perhaps a differing material of some sort...:tongue: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewood Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 You win the medal or something for vagueness, awarded in first, or second, or quite possibly some other class or perhaps a differing material of some sort...:tongue:classic 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Volcano Posted October 6, 2013 Moderators Share Posted October 6, 2013 Some initial field trials suggest that the M1A2 SEP with CITV disabled provides the best "proxy" for the variant M1A1 (AIM) SA we use in Australia.However we don't have DU armour so I'm wondering if the M1A2 SEP protection model is "too good"?Of course if the M1A2 SEP sans CITV is the best option, I'll have to request an Australian skin.Thoughts / feedback?Yes, we did some basic research here at one time, actually. I think your best proxy is actually going to be the M1A1 (not the HA variant) for protection because it is lacking dU. Now perhaps they added some additional non-dU protection to the M1A1 SA for export, but probably not -- doubtful, unless someone has a reliable source stating otherwise. But as I said, it was basic and not thorough research at the time, as we were just doing it "for fun". Anyway, obviously though the M1A1 is lacking the "SA" equipment, so it really is a question of what is more important in the proxy: the protection or the digital map panel in the interior...It is certainly worth adding an actual thoroughly researched M1A1(SA) "one day" (wink wink). :debile2: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maj.Hans Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Yes, but using vegemite would give us an unfair advantage (it wouldn't be fair when playing MP for us to running around in a Super Tank)Rumor has it that the vegemite armor isn't really as effective in the field as first thought.Yes, applying a layer of vegemite to the inside of the armor makes it completely invulnerable to Sabot and HEAT rounds. However it was discovered that the vegemite itself is quite easily destroyed in a matter of minutes by hungry squaddie with a butter knife and some toast. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Rumor has it that the vegemite armor isn't really as effective in the field as first thought.Yes, applying a layer of vegemite to the inside of the armor makes it completely invulnerable to Sabot and HEAT rounds. However it was discovered that the vegemite itself is quite easily destroyed in a matter of minutes by hungry squaddie with a butter knife and some toast.And against all recommendations to avoid eating said vegemite, the hungry squaddie will obtain a third eye. (Timescale of its appearance is undetermined at this time.) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Killjoy Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I can help on the Skin front if required.Just tell me what you need and I'll make it so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted October 7, 2013 Author Share Posted October 7, 2013 (edited) Interim skin sorted:http://www.steelbeasts.com/sbforums/showthread.php?t=6926&page=22But thanks for the offer. Edited October 7, 2013 by Gibsonm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Companion Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Unless one is concerned about historicity of units for a given mission (i.e. using T-80U is not correct for a 1982 based scenario, etc.) armor/shell performance of opposing sides can be balanced with various tank/ammo combinations.So I'd say M1A2 would be the best proxy to approximate SA capability against fictional OPFOR. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer_Leader Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 It is certainly worth adding an actual thoroughly researched M1A1(SA) "one day" (wink wink). :debile2:I really like the sound of that! :biggrin: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tac197 Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Just played the M1A2(broken) as the proxy for the M1A1(AIM).....how good is it, It will do me for the time being 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnAlienware Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 I noticed the SEP doesn't have vehicle/target position data or direction in the sight. I know current A1s have this, so am I missing something? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer_Leader Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Just played the M1A2(broken) as the proxy for the M1A1(AIM).....how good is it, It will do me for the time being Yes, consensus of BG ANZAC appears to be that M1A2 SEP with 'Commander's sight' disabled is a better proxy for the M1A1 AIM SA than the M1A1 (HA). I think the slight advantage in armour protection and disadvantage of flex mounted .50 cal is outweighed by the benefits of the second generation FLIR with 50x zoom which is common to the A2 SEP and A1 AIM SA. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tac197 Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Rumor has it that the vegemite armor isn't really as effective in the field as first thought. However it was discovered that the vegemite itself is quite easily destroyed in a matter of minutes by hungry squaddie with a butter knife and some toast.They are know as Diggers not squaddie. :clin: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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