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And now I understand why the Brits rant and rave about their boiling vessels, it's about the only damn thing their tanks seem to have!

Unless I'm missing something, the turret traverse is very touchy unless you hand crank it, and elevation is done solely by hand cranks?

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And now I understand why the Brits rant and rave about their boiling vessels, it's about the only damn thing their tanks seem to have!

Unless I'm missing something, the turret traverse is very touchy unless you hand crank it, and elevation is done solely by hand cranks?

I can understand the low opinion many on this site seemed to have adopted for both the Warrior and scimitar. But you have to put things in perspective the warrior is not an IFV.

Its a MCV. It was designed in the late seventies with a specific role in mind. the 30mm Cannon was supposed to provide extra fire power for the infantry if needed.

Users should consider it more as a well protected APC. then an IFV.

As for the Scimitar, if your using it properly you should not shoot at any thing.

Sneak and peak.

The British Army is well aware of the limitations of the warrior on todays modern battlefield

Its about to be refitted with basically a whole new turret. With modern weapon and Sighting systems.

The British army is replacing there scimitar fleet with the Scout SV Reconnaissance Specialist Vehicle,

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I can understand the low opinion many on this site seemed to have adopted for both the Warrior and scimitar. But you have to put things in perspective the warrior is not an IFV.

Its a MCV. It was designed in the late seventies with a specific role in mind. the 30mm Cannon was supposed to provide extra fire power for the infantry if needed.

Users should consider it more as a well protected APC. then an IFV.

As for the Scimitar, if your using it properly you should not shoot at any thing.

Sneak and peak.

The British Army is well aware of the limitations of the warrior on todays modern battlefield

Its about to be refitted with basically a whole new turret. With modern weapon and Sighting systems.

The British army is replacing there scimitar fleet with the Scout SV Reconnaissance Specialist Vehicle,

heh, well, that is true for the bradley as well, it too is just an upgraded M113 with additional firepower.

and as for FRES.. there just isn't the funds for it.

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Interesting opinion on the scimitar. I found that it's 30mm gun made a big difference on the battlefield. I replaced the mercedes in "Red Decision Point Attack" with scimitars and found that the scimitars absolutely shred the enemy scouts, leaving red unable to call an artillery on my main force, which in turn absolutely killed the enemy main force.

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Oh I forgot to mention the best (worst?) part is that even the engine itself just sounds crappy when it's idling!

Honestly the gun itself doesn't seem too bad to me. I can deal with the lack of thermals and stabilization, but the traverse, elevation, and the fire control system give me fits trying to hit targets moving laterally or beyond 1000 meters or so.

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I actually like the bugger, but that can be because it's handling reminds me about my own APC in just all ways except my APC don't have NVG capacity in the sight. :bigsmile:

I just noticed that myself. Honestly, I would love to see exactly that type of night-vision added to the Leopard AS1 so we could pretend it was a West German 1A3/1A4.

Since the AS1 itself doesn't have IR perhaps it could be tacked on through the 'optional weapon' interface somehow in a similar manner to how you can turn the M113s into W.German MG3 equipped 113s, Ersatz FV432s, or even fitted with an RWS.

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heh, well, that is true for the bradley as well, it too is just an upgraded M113 with additional firepower.

and as for FRES.. there just isn't the funds for it.

Yes some funding has been cancelled, But the funding for warrior upgrade is still approved.

As for the scout, I have read its introduction has been delayed but still approved.

As for the Bradley being an upgraded M113, I doubt former Bradley crew members would Agree with that statement.

APC/or IFV they have very similar Roles. BATTLE TAXIS

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Honestly the gun itself doesn't seem too bad to me. I can deal with the lack of thermals and stabilization, but the traverse, elevation, and the fire control system give me fits trying to hit targets moving laterally or beyond 1000 meters or so.

Well then maybe just don't use it.

IMHO, the last thing we need is every single vehicle to perform exactly alike and not how they really perform.

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And now I understand why the Brits rant and rave about their boiling vessels, it's about the only damn thing their tanks seem to have!

Unless I'm missing something, the turret traverse is very touchy unless you hand crank it, and elevation is done solely by hand cranks?

Well as far as i know isnt the Warrior's only purpose to transport troops, and then provide covering fire for them while they are disembarking. Aand that would be all... i mean its not meant to go head to head with other IFVs.

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I would have to disagree with you,gibsonm, being on a bradley for 20 years, I can tell you it is not an upgraded m113. As far as its use, well, as all scout vehicles, the weapon systems are for self defense mainly,altho some units will use it differently, but being the main weapon of a scout is radio and indirect fire, I will agree with the weapons systems being for self defense only. The bradley was a replacement for the M113, but not an upgraded M113.

And even if it was based on an M113, being based on something doesnt make it an upgrade of it. That would be like saying the ford expidition is based on the F-150 so therefore it is an upgraded F-150. Which it isnt, even tho the first ones had almost the same front end of an F-150.

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And now I understand why the Brits rant and rave about their boiling vessels, it's about the only damn thing their tanks seem to have!

Unless I'm missing something, the turret traverse is very touchy unless you hand crank it, and elevation is done solely by hand cranks?

The lack of comfort and the bad handling keeps the angry mood of the warriors riding in it at high levels - perfect for a battle taxi, I'd assume. :bigsmile: Nothing worse in battle than having a squad that is completely relaxed and laid-back. I want my squad cantankerous and in a very bad mood. :1:

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Well they would be wrong.

The whole thing is based on a M113 and made by the same people that made (make? can't remember) the M113.

If you think it is Gibsonm try reading (The Pentagon Wars)

It took 17 years and fourteen billion dollars to make.

I would agree they probably used some components from the M113 though.

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And don't forget that the fuel bladder in the Warrior is transparent and in full view of the squad in the back.

It makes it easier to weed out the ones who get motion sickness sooner.

but remember this all of you in your fancy CV90's and Bradleys and BMP's

the more bells and whistles you have, the more can go wrong!

The Warrior has one job, and once job only...

to deliver a group of pissed off Welshmen/Scotsmen/Irishmen somewhere in the vicinity of the enemy to ruin their day.

and it does this very well :D

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And now I understand why the Brits rant and rave about their boiling vessels, it's about the only damn thing their tanks seem to have!

Unless I'm missing something, the turret traverse is very touchy unless you hand crank it, and elevation is done solely by hand cranks?

Well I thought T-62's slaved optic was bad... until Rarden tried to infect me with cancer.

Now I wonder if Grom would trump Rarden in worst gun handling department.

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The whole thing is based on a M113 and made by the same people that made (make? can't remember) the M113.

The Food Machinery Corporation. I somewhat doubt however that they constructed the Bradley from slightly edited M113 blueprints even though without doubt some of the engineers were involved in both projects (and also in the AIFV... which one might consider a bit of a "missing link" to the extent that it came with the 25mm Bushmaster cannon and the PU filled sandwich armor on an aluminum chassis, all of which are also elements of the Bradley design).

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but remember this all of you in your fancy CV90's and Bradleys and BMP's

BMP = Warrior without the working night sight.

Ask the Zipster.

The more bells and whistles you have, the more can go wrong!

The Warrior has one job, and once job only...

to deliver a group of pissed off Welshmen/Scotsmen/Irishmen somewhere in the vicinity of the enemy to ruin their day.

and it does this very well :D

Don't forget Scousers.

Equal opportunities dear boy.

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Well, having been bounced around in the back of Aust M113's (pre upgrade). We would dream of the Warrior, Bradley or even the Marder as the alternative.

I think the Warrior is a fine vehicle, designed to meet the GSR3533 requirements for a mechanised combat vehicle that can carry 10, keep up with Challenger, provide protection and be a support platform with anti light armour capacity.

I think that SB has done it credit and it is true to the actual vehicle.

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