hoggydog Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 TROLLOLOLOL!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkAngel Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 +1 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt DeFault Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Noooooooooo!!! :gun: [Hoggy] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Destinée à être remplacée à la Leclerc?It would add a possibility of refighting the Napoleonic wars, in a modern setting.Napoleon's Lieutenant: "Lovely uniform colour today by the way."Napoleon: "Zank you! I zink it works.":biggrin: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke(911) Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Hey Hedge, Destinée à être remplacée à la Leclerc?It would add a possibility of refighting the Napoleonic wars, in a modern setting. Napoleon's Lieutenant: "Lovely uniform colour today by the way." Napoleon: "Zank you! I zink it works." :biggrin: which UK IFV do you want to take for modern settings. I think the technology of the warrior is from the napoleonic time period. cheers Duke 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggydog Posted October 14, 2013 Author Share Posted October 14, 2013 Say Duke, how do you like that playable Marder? oh no wait... ~WARRIAH IZ TEH AWSOMIST BATTLEWAGON EVAH!!!11!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Hey Hedge,which UK IFV do you want to take for modern settings. I think the technology of the warrior is from the napoleonic time period. cheers Duke Duke, the Warrior's in service date was the Battle of Waterloo! :biggrin: (And nothing's changed, since. It still uses semaphore flags instead of a radio.) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Killjoy Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Say Duke, how do you like that playable Marder?oh no wait... Burrrrn! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TankHunter Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Hey Hedge,which UK IFV do you want to take for modern settings. I think the technology of the warrior is from the napoleonic time period. cheers Duke Don't be so kind, it might be neolithic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maj.Hans Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Don't be so kind, it might be neolithic.It's traverse and elevation are so bad, it makes the CWS on the M1 look GOOD!But hey at least it has a big cannon on it, so it beats the MTLB and BTR-50 any day of the week! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazjar Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 The marder, from what I know, is actually a very modern vehicle with TIs and stab. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dejawolf Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 The marder, from what I know, is actually a very modern vehicle with TIs and stab.it does have TIS, dunno about stab. also, its a bit limited with that 20mm peashooter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted October 15, 2013 Members Share Posted October 15, 2013 No stabilization, no computerized fire control system.Pea shooter or not, the Marder proved very effective in Afghanistan due to its comparatively generous ammo supply which allows it to provide suppressive fire even for extended periods in battle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggydog Posted October 15, 2013 Author Share Posted October 15, 2013 see its not always about the bells and whistles, the T-34 taught the world that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjay Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 see its not always about the bells and whistles, the T-34 taught the world that. The T34 did actually have bells and whistles. Or, more accurately, the tank commanders had 'em. It was how they communicated in the absence of radio. Plus semaphore flags of course... You want to go back to that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maj.Hans Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 The whole Russian approach to war on the Eastern Front was basically to drown the Germans in blood......Russian blood, but hey, if you've got the blood to spill...Basically...The T-34 is the triumph of numbers over everything else! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggydog Posted October 15, 2013 Author Share Posted October 15, 2013 but to get those numbers was the cool thing. the developments in manufacturing and construction processes were awesome. the drop in unit cost through the war was staggering too, T-34 cost:269,599r in 1941 to 135,000r by the end of 1942the production time was also halved in this period(numbers from wikipedia)not sure how the Sherman compared. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maj.Hans Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 not sure how the Sherman compared.I'm not sure about production costs and etc, but I do know that a good number of Soviet tankers actually preferred the M4 over the T-34, and even claimed that it had a superior gun than the T-34's.Given how, er, mediocre the plain old M4 was, or even the up-gunned 76mm versions, that doesn't look good for the T-34! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted October 15, 2013 Members Share Posted October 15, 2013 The whole Russian approach to war on the Eastern Front was basically to drown the Germans in blood......Russian blood, but hey, if you've got the blood to spill...Basically...The T-34 is the triumph of numbers over everything else!I don't think that it is a fair assessment. The T-34, when it came out on the Russian front, was a severe shock to the Wehrmacht. They had considered the Soviets utterly beaten yet these produced a tank that was pretty much immune against the most widely proliferated anti tank gun. It took the Germans two years to come up with a direct response to it (the PzKpfW V ("Panther")) and at least until the Pz IV was equipped with a long 75mm gun the T-34 was equal or superior to everything the Germans had but the Tiger. The late T-34-85 was adequate in all characteristics until the last days of the War in Europe, with two notable weaknesses - insufficient numbers of radio sets, and relatively poor optics. Both reflected limitations in skill and production capacity of the Soviet economy, not a lack of understanding their relative importance.While the Soviets probably sacrificed more of their own soldiers than necessary, of all the possible indicators the T-34's design is the one thing that does not support the theory of Stalin callously sacrificing his minions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marko Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 I'm not sure about production costs and etc, but I do know that a good number of Soviet tankers actually preferred the M4 over the T-34, and even claimed that it had a superior gun than the T-34's.Given how, er, mediocre the plain old M4 was, or even the up-gunned 76mm versions, that doesn't look good for the T-34!Well T-34/85 and the Sherman not sure what variant. clashed in Korea.And reportedly the M4 was superior, but that May be due to better crew training.And combat experienced crews 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Colossus Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Insofar as comparing one on one, there are problems- tanks do not square off one against one like prize fighters but rather as part of armies. At the operational level, the Soviets learned pretty well by 1943 how to fight a war, they learned how to check 'blitzkrieg', they developed their own threat of 'deep pursuit' and 'deep battle,' at the tactical level they weren't as quite sophisticated. You have to look at it also in the context of the stories if they are believed of factory workers and conscripts just taking their tanks off the assembly line into battle with no training- there was nothing else available.The Sherman was an excellent open country 'cavalry tank'- the US tank destroyers were conceived to deal with the perceived German advantage in armor, if the Shermans weren't getting bogged down in close combat, they are a threat if they can beat you and race to the finish line. It was far as I know a more comfortable ride than the basic T-34 model.In the beginning of the War, the German armor was generally underarmed and underarmored compared to the best Allied tanks- what the Germans had in their favor were better tactics, excellent leadership, and a more advanced turret layout, three crew members in the turret rather than two, and radios. Still, under select conditions, there were cases where a single Allied tank on either front were able to hold up a German column until the Germans could improvise with something- like bringing up an anti-aircraft gun to knock it out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Retro Posted October 16, 2013 Members Share Posted October 16, 2013 I actually wouldn't mind seeing a T34/85 in SB (yes I know this is the content removal thread). Just imagine coming across one of these when you're patrolling in your MRAP with only a .50 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maj.Hans Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 I actually wouldn't mind seeing a T34/85 in SB (yes I know this is the content removal thread). Just imagine coming across one of these when you're patrolling in your MRAP with only a .50I was going to make a joke about going out on patrol in M113A52 'SuperGavins'........But I think that right there is enough to make everybody laugh! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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