WW2 tank battles.

[Marko]

I am testing the waters to see if there is any support for a WW2 type LNoT.

I was thinking may be sometime in January 2014.

We could use the Leo-1 as a panther stand in, and a few leo-2A4 tanks as the tiger 1.

Turn of the thermal imagers laser range finders dynamic lead etc.

We could convert some Fulda gap or red tide missions to suite both sides.(I was thinking three missions.)

limit the Arty to HE only. you could use AMX-13. scorpions'. and PT-76 as AI controlled light Tanks also the T-62 would make a good stand in for the T-34. the leo-AS1 as a Sherman

Use jeeps or lightly armoured technicals for recon.

The guys from SVU/UK are up for it so that's at least ten player.

If anybody is interested in commanding the opfor and we can find a minimum of ten players

To join you. Then we could work out the details such as force ratio ammo ect .

I am open to suggestion on how to make this event as enjoyable and realistic as possible

A Fun night of beer pretzels and Tanks. LoL

Edited December 12, 2013 by Marko

[Gibsonm]

Not for me, I'm afraid, but hope it goes well for you.

Whilst not a complete Second World War rivet counter, I’m thinking trying to use the Leo 1 to represent the Panther and the Sherman (even if the late mark 76mm or Firefly) isn’t quite the right match up.

But its your bash, so whatever works for you guys.

[Marko]

I ran a few tests.

The scorpion works really well in the light tank role. The AMX-13 makes for a pretty good

Tank destroyer when in a vehicle emplacement.

[enigma6584]

Not for me either I'm afraid. I have a pretty good imagination when it comes to immersion in my gameplay but trying to make a scenario of WW2 tank battle with a modern tank simulation like SBPE is too much of a leap IMHO. At least for me it is. :clin:

[Gibsonm]

I ran a few tests.

The scorpion works really well in the light tank role. The AMX-13 makes for a pretty good

Tank destroyer when in a vehicle emplacement.

Perhaps but that wasn’t what I was referred to.

Leo 1 has good manoeuvrability, great gun, poor protection (not designed for a slug fest).

Panther has OK manoeuvrability, great gun (75 L70), good protection.

Sherman has better manoeuvrability, poor gun (M3 75mm), bad protection.

Not sure you can use the same vehicle (Leo 1) to represent both of the others.

[Gibsonm]

If anybody is interested in commanding the opfor and we can find a minimum of ten players to join you.

Ah so who is the OPFOR (Germans, US, Soviets)?

You didn’t actually specify which sides you guys would play.

Oh and I presume no map updates?

[Marko]

Perhaps but that wasn’t what I was referred to.

Leo 1 has good manoeuvrability, great gun, poor protection (not designed for a slug fest).

Panther has OK manoeuvrability, great gun (75 L70), good protection.

Sherman has better manoeuvrability, poor gun (M3 75mm), bad protection.

Not sure you can use the same vehicle (Leo 1) to represent both of the others.

Agreed Gibsonm.

I was hoping to use Ammunition types to compensate For the weaker Armour of the leo-1

IE give it good ammo and the opfor the ammo with the least penetration value.

And maybe take heat rounds out for the T-62.

Also we have to work with what we have I would like to use the M-60 for the Sherman.

But the guys will want playable tanks. So the only thing I can think of is to use the AS1

And adjust the ammunition in favour of the Opfor not ideal, if anybody has a better idea I Am open to suggestions.I think to make something like this work you have to use a little Creative licence. if there is support for the event i can work out the details with the Opfor C/O. that's one thing I would like to make clear if its a go, all elements of the missions will be agreed by the Respective C/O before hand mission planning can be done in advance to Cut waiting time on the night.

Ah so who is the OPFOR (Germans, US, Soviets)?

You didn’t actually specify which sides you guys would play.

Oh and I presume no map updates?

It is my intention to let the C/O for the opfor choose what side he would like to run with

And adjust the missions accordingly. but German Soviet would be my preferred option.

Allied only updates. But that's not set in stone

[Gibsonm]

It is my intention to let the C/O for the opfor choose what side he would like to run with and adjust the missions accordingly. but German Soviet would be my preferred option.

Sorry not trying to be picky (esp. as I’m not participating) but does that mean you / your side would like to play German and Soviet?

I get that means for the Germans the OPFOR is the US, but who is the Soviet OPFOR? Are the Soviets fighting the US somehow?

Allied only updates. But that's not set in stone

But if its 1945-45 (based on the “post Normandy“ idea) no one should have them surely?

But again, not my party.

[Brun]

http://www.steelbeasts.com/sbforums/showthread.php?t=15355&highlight=kings

German community had a crack at this a couple of years ago. Was a large and chaotic couple battles as I remember.

[Marko]

Sorry not trying to be picky (esp. as I’m not participating) but does that mean you / your side would like to play German and Soviet?

I get that means for the Germans the OPFOR is the US, but who is the Soviet OPFOR? Are the Soviets fighting the US somehow?

But if its 1945-45 (based on the “post Normandy“ idea) no one should have them surely?

But again, not my party.

No Gibsonm,

What it means is if the opfor pick the US forces, we are the Germans if the they pick the Soviets we are the Germans. and if they pick the Germans we are the Soviets

But if the rumors are true,

If the great general Patton had his way the war would have not finished in 1945 it would Have entered a new phase.

[Assassin 7]

I'll be US CO for Blue.

[Marko]

I'll be US CO for Blue.

That's great I will start working on the planning

I guess the first think to do is confirm the vehicle and Ammo list.

Here's what I have so far but its open to discussion.

German vehicle list

Leo-1A5. Panther

Leo-2A4. Tiger 1

Scimitar Panzer 11. we will have to change the skin

Trucks For mech inf

BRDM 2. Recon

American vehicle list.

AS1. Sherman.

Centauro M10 Tank destroyer

Scimitar M-24 Chaffee Tank. we will have to change the skin

Humvee with 50 cal. recon

Trucks for Mech inf

[Tango29]

Hi, Marko,

This looks good for me in January. I'd like a slot on the German side, bitte. Leo's I like, and I just can't crack the code on the Centauro! :cool:

[Crusty]

I'm up for it mate, happy to play either side, should be good fun :bigsmile:

[Hedgehog]

That's great I will start working on the planning

I guess the first think to do is confirm the vehicle and Ammo list.

Here's what I have so far but its open to discussion.

German vehicle list

Leo-1A5. Panther

Leo-2A4. Tiger 1

Scimitar Panzer 11. we will have to change the skin

Trucks For mech inf

BRDM 2. Recon

American vehicle list.

AS1. Sherman.

Centauro M10 Tank destroyer

Scimitar M-24 Chaffee Tank. we will have to change the skin -- Don't you mean Scorpion?

Humvee with 50 cal. recon -- I'd suggest the NotaHilux Technical, HUMVEE is massive compared to a Jeep.

Trucks for Mech inf

See above edits.

I reckon for a bit of character, maybe we could restrict British involvement to and Recce Regiment and use Armoured Cars as the main AFVs?

VEC would make a good Daimler Armoured Car.

[Froggy]

I have made a Defend Bastogne mission, in the DL section.

Leo1A5 = Pz IV

Leo2A4 = Panther

LeoAS1 = Sherman

No GPS, no stab, no thermal, no Map

[Tjay]

I'm up for it mate, happy to play either side, should be good fun :bigsmile:

+1

[Marko]

I have made a Defend Bastogne mission, in the DL section.

Leo1A5 = Pz IV

Leo2A4 = Panther

LeoAS1 = Sherman

No GPS, no stab, no thermal, no Map

Thanks froggy

I will check it out.

[Marko]

See above edits.

I reckon for a bit of character, maybe we could restrict British involvement to and Recce Regiment and use Armoured Cars as the main AFVs?

VEC would make a good Daimler Armoured Car.

I did consider the VEC Hedge But its not playable

Also I went with the Scimitar rather then the scorpion again because its playable.

I am going to ask somebody to skin them. In Panzer Grey and US, camo.

[Guest Killjoy]

Marsch! :gun:

[Marko]

Quick update.

New code name for the event LNoT Panzerkampf.

Killjoy is going to be My second in command.

And will c/o mission two for the Germans.

He has an extensive knowledge of WW2 battles and equipment.

I added a couple of guys today so were up to eight confirmed players so far For the German Side.

Mission details agreed so far.

Vehicle list approved by both sides. (see earlier post for details)

Mission one will be a German defence against a US, force.

A standard 3:1 ratio for the attacker has been agreed

And will be adopted by both sides when attacking

Mission two will be a German force attacking a smaller US, force in defensive positions.

Edited December 14, 2013 by Marko

[Guest Killjoy]

Ok, suggestions for German armour:

Panzerkampfwagens

PzKpfw VI Tiger - Leo 2a4

PzKpfw V - Panther - Leo 1A5

Other Vehicles

SdKfz 234 Puma - BTR80

Leichter Panzerspähwagen - BRDM

Opel Blitz - Ural

Bergepanther - Wisent ARV

[Grenny]

my 2ct,

I find the idea of using modern vehicles for WW2 proxies ...well.

If that's fancied here, I'll have no bad conscience when making a reenactment of the great northern war with Stridsvagn 122 und T-72's ...or the battle of Balaclava with Scimitars and Scorpions...

8-)

[Tacbat]

Don't think of it as a WW2 scenario. Think of it as a chance to use all those backup systems.

[Tango29]

Don't think of it as a WW2 scenario. Think of it as a chance to use all those backup systems.

"Backup systems"?? Cripes, that's what I started out with!! :gen004: