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I don't have the game loaded up yet, but I don't see any ADA with us. If this is true, then somebody supply my dismounts with a lavish amount of Stingers (or more modern equivalent)!!!! Damned if you think I'm going to shoot down RusFed aircraft with my 25mm, rifles or harsh language!!! If I am wrong, I would still want some man-portable SAM's anyway:cool3:

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Well you can have a manpad OR a Rifle / MG fire team.

You can't have AND.

ADA goes where its meant to go:

C2

Log Elements

Defiles on line of communication

Fighting elements make do, as we always have - you have 4 x 25mm chain guns for $%#@%# sake! :)

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I should receive the game by Sunday to understand dismount infantry loadouts.

When I served in the Gulf War, we had everything: lavish supply of Dragons and At-4's, M60 MG and M249 SAWs, A few Stingers AND some demolitions.

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Well great, this isn't the Gulf and its not a US outfit.

You are a US CT attached to a German unit.

This is "A" war stuff not "The" war.

You go with what you have. :)

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I should receive the game by Sunday to understand dismount infantry loadouts.

When I served in the Gulf War, we had everything: lavish supply of Dragons and At-4's, M60 MG and M249 SAWs, A few Stingers AND some demolitions.

Its even better if you have enough people who actually trained with these weapons too :-P

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I should receive the game by Sunday to understand dismount infantry loadouts.

When I served in the Gulf War, we had everything: lavish supply of Dragons and At-4's, M60 MG and M249 SAWs, A few Stingers AND some demolitions.

Well soon sunday but to help you on your way :)

Normal Mech Infantry in SB are 2 sections, one MG and one Fire team. Usually some M136 and MG3/M240. The teams are the lowest core unit you can get but in Scenario editor you can change what they are carrying by the ammo menue or changing the infantry unit to ATGM, FO etc unit.

And at the moment the only carriable Ground to air (GTA?) missile is the swedish RBS70 system so you can for example trade in your MG team to a RBS70 team in the editor but you can't have both a RBS70, a Javelin and a heavy MG in same team/squad.

And most normal APC/IFV (Havent checked it actually) normally carries 2 teams so thats your limit, you can add extra vehicles and a tell them to carry RBS70 if you like, but all this has to be done in the scenario editor and when someone else are doing the scenarios you kind of have to go with what you are given.

But when you get the game, go into the editor and play around with the infantry, they are fun as hell :)

/KT

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SITREP:

Restricted version of Briefing Pack #1 just released to CT Commanders, supporting arms Commanders and 2IX / XOs

CT ACHILLES - Could not PM "Naggarond". Is that the correct spelling?

UNCLAS version to follow here in a few minutes.

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Briefing Pack #1 - UNCLAS version

Gentlemen,

Firstly an apology.

I know I said you would get this on the weekend and its late.

One scenario arrived a couple of hours ago and the 4th is still being built.

However I thought it better to get you what I could - remembering that these are still in fact draft as well.

They will let you see the ground though and should be 90% solutions for the final thing (except of course the missing mission).

Here are the links to the scenarios:

Mission 1:

O Gp eyes only

Mission 2:

O Gp eyes only

Mission 3:

O Gp eyes only

Mission 4:

O Gp eyes only

In addition you have a link to the BattleBook (a new innovation that we hope helps you visualise your forces) and a bit of a memento above and beyond the ribbon.

Here is the link to the BattleBook:

O Gp eyes only (will be issued on the day to attendees).

Note: The author advises that you need to set your printing up to "fit to printable area" as some of the pages are a little larger than A4.

In addition, printing in colour may make it a bit dark.

Lastly here is the link to the OPORD:

(Reproduced in full below)

The scenario briefs refer you back to the OPORD so please read it! :)

This PM is going out to all CT commanders and their 2IC/XOs so if your CT manning changes, one of the chain if command still should have situational awareness.

I'll post this in a thread too (without the links for the time being) so please reply there - as my mailbox is already at 99% and has hovered there for weeks now (thanks D u k e and Grenny :))

http://www.steelbeasts.com/sbforums/showthread.php?t=20291

Replying to the thread will provide SA for the rest of the BG.

If you want to conduct BG rehearsals that's great but you'll soon discover that the sub units of the BG will rely on each other for mission success, so you'll need to talk to your peers so we have a co-ordinated, synchronised plan.

Regards,

Mark

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OPERATION RISING BEAR

OPERATIONS ORDER - NATO RESPONSE FORCE BATTLE GROUP (NRF BG - "BG ARMINIUS") 1/14

Time Zone: BRAVO used throughout (Zulu + 2, Ukraine local time)

Situation

- General

In 2013 the EU extended an invitation to the Ukraine to expand and consolidate its trade ties with Europe. This came at the conclusion of another round of successful NATO / Ukraine exercises during the "partnership for peace" co-operation programme. The Russian Federation viewed this with alarm as an continuation of the erosion of Mother Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union.

Most of the old Warsaw Pact members from Central and Eastern Europe had joined NATO and the Baltic States were flexing their independence.

The initial Russian response to this was escalating economic and diplomatic pressure on Ukraine to remain tied to Russia. Russia retained a military option should these initial soft options failed.

The EU and its friends responded by demanding that the Ukraine retain its sovereign right to self determination as in independent nation.

Currently the Russian Federation (RusFed) and NATO are at an impasse over the issue, with rolling demonstrations and other unrest within Ukraine being the key reportable activity.

This deterioration in relations has taken place over a few months and has allowed several NATO nations (particularly Great Britain, Canada and the United States) to freeze, and in some cases reverse, their earlier policies of force draw down out of Europe. Holdings of AFVs from these countries in Europe have started to grow again and force dispositions have returned to credible levels.

Major components of 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) have begun to concentrate at RAMSTEIN Air Base prior to potentially moving further East as required. Less mobile heavy forces have also begun to concentrate, augmenting the pre positioned European Activity Set. Many comments in the media have likened this to the earlier REFORGER (REturn of FORces to GERmany) activities.

Most of this is posturing though intended to dissuade RusFed forces from intervening directly.

NATO has formed a multinational Battle Group (BG) with Combat Teams (CT) from Canada, Germany, UK and USA supported by Artillery, Engineers and an Aviation CT. This NATO Response Force (NRF) has been designated BG ARMINIUS and forward based in KRAKOW, Poland and is the lead component of the heavy forces that continue to concentrate further West.

Recent reports indicate that inside Ukraine itself, the Ukranian Army (ZSU) has been mobilised in all but name and has taken up defensive positions with their largely Soviet era equipment.

- Enemy

As you now know, some hours ago Russian Federation (RusFed) forces crossed the Ukraine/Russian border and appear to be making an initial thrust on SUMY, approx 350Km East of KIEV. The RusFed crossed the border as part of an attempt to forcibly bring Ukraine back under the control of MOSCOW.

Recent activity:

RusFed forces, assessed as being at reinforced Brigade strength, have hit the Ukrainian Army's (ZSU) first delay line and appear to be approaching SUMY on three avenues of approach (North, Centre and South), refer below:

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Their intent appears to be to seize the airport and other critical infrastructure within SUMY and use it as a base for further operations West towards KIEV.

Having secured SUMY the next set of objectives are assessed as being in the area of BILOPILLYA and subsequent objectives further West on the road to KIEV.

The most likely boundary between the Brigade's lead Battalions has been marked.

RusFed forces have used prodigious amounts of artillery to support their advance and appear to have access to large amounts of Frontal Aviation (fixed and rotary wing, attack and transport).

The Brigade lead echelon is equipped with T-90S and BMP-3 with a second echelon force using BTR-80 as its APC.

As a lead formation, the Brigade appears to have also been allocated elements of an Air Assault Battalion and some Spetsnaz resources.

- Friendly

Ukraine

The Armed Forces of Ukraine, (Zbroyni Syly Ukrayiny, (ZSU)) have been able to conduct a delay from the Eastern border, falling back on successive positions forward of SUMY.

Due to interoperability issues with comms equipment the picture is unclear but it is understood that the ZSU forces within sector consist of the 2nd Battalion, 1st Guards Armoured Brigade, a reinforced Tank Battalion with T-64, BMP-2, BTR-80, limited Artillery and Engineer support.

The last information supplied by the ZSU LO was that the Battalion had been ordered to establish a final delay line forward of SUMY to buy time for reserve demolitions of major river crossings and the demolition of some key infrastructure (which were assessed as RusFed objectives).

Despite the comms issues, some ZSU / NRF co-ordination has been conducted with the key results being:

- ZSU forces to delay East of the Battle Handover Line.

- Route AJAX to remain open and priority given to ZSU traffic.

- Those ZSU forces that achieve a clean break to reconstitute East of BILOPILLYA.

These co-ord measures and the last known ZSU scheme of manoeuvre is displayed below:

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The political climate demands that ZSU forces be involved in any subsequent offensive action to regain SUMY or other Ukrainian territory.

NATO

As detailed earlier, the NRF BG has been pre positioned at KRAKOW in Poland. At the commencement of RusFed / ZSU hostilities, the BG was dispatched on a forced road march to close with and link up with the ZSU forces.

Currently the lead elements of the BG, the attached formation recce element, is some ten Km NE of BILOPILLYA and is siting the BG Assembly Area. The tail of the column, the forward air refuelling and rearming point (FARP) is some 30 Km further back, near VOROZHBA.

The BG's sub units have made the journey in good order, a testament to their crews and the maintenance schedules. The crews themselves though are suffering fatigue with more than one non battle casualty suffered to date due to vehicle accidents.

NATO provided the NRF BG with an air umbrella for the advance but the RusFed air elements did not contest its movement. This was seen as an attempt to avoid unnecessary escalation of what was currently still a "local" affair.

The Battle Group's structure comprises:

1 x BG HQ based on Panzer battalion 203

1 x BG 2nd line echelon drawn from Panzer Brigade 21

1 x Artillery Battalion attached (PzArtBn 215)

1 x Attached Engineer grouping (from pzpiKp 200)

1 x Recce Sqn (-) with 3 x Recce Tp and 1 x Engr Recce element.

1 x German Tank Company (3:0 Tank:Mech) - CT ACHILLES

1 x US balanced Tank / Mech CT (2:2) - CT ODYSSEUS

1 x UK Infantry heavy CT (1:2) - CT PERSEUS

1 x Canadian Tank heavy CT (2:1) - CT HECTOR

1 x Aviation CT - providing Attack, Lift and heavy lift - CT PEGASUS

This can be seen diagrammatically below:

Battle Group Headquarters

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Echelon and Artillery

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Engineer Support

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Formation Recce - force assigned OPCON drawn from B Squadron, 1st Queen's Dragoon Guards (1st QDG) with a Troop from 2nd Cavalry Regiment (2CAV) on attachment. Also attached an Engineer Recon detachment.

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More to follow ...

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Transmission continues ....

CT ACHILLES - German Tank Kompanie (3:0) Kompanie 2, Panzerbattalion 203

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CT ODYSSEUS - US Balanced CT (2:2) - force assigned OPCON from Charlie Company, 4-70 AR

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CT PERSEUS - UK Mech heavy CT (1:3) - force assigned OPCON drawn from B Company, the 5th Battalion the Rifles, with Anti Armour Platoon and Mortars from the Battalion's Support Company with 2 Troop, A Squadron Queen's Royal Hussars (QRH).

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CT HECTOR - Canadian mixed CT (2:1) - force assigned OPCON drawn from B Squadron, Lord Strathcona's Horse (Royal Canadians) (LdSH (RC)) and B Company, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry (PPCLI).

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CT PEGASUS - Combined Aviation CT - force assigned OPCON. Combined US and European unit with Eurocopter Tiger, AH-64, MRH-90, UH-60, CH-47 and UAV

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- Civilians

Large numbers of Ukrainian citizens are fleeing Westward. These internally displaced persons (IDPs) are choking roads and making movement East on the main routes very difficult.

The obstacles created by this press of people have been increased by vehicle accidents, abandoned vehicles and wreckage caused by air and artillery strikes.

It is expected that this movement will thin out in the next couple of hours as people seek shelter in cellars, etc. rather than move in the open as RusFed combat forces approach.

Mission

The NRF BG is to advance within boundaries, to relieve the ZSU force near SUMY and repulse the RusFed aggression, in order to set the conditions for a negotiated settlement.

Execution

Intent:

The NRF BG will:

- Successfully link up with the ZSU forces on, or in front of, the BHL.

- Provide a strong show of force on the BHL to deter future RusFed aggression.

- Be prepared to conduct a delay designed to deny penetration to BILOPILLYA and shape the RusFed advance into EAs North and South.

- On order, restore the main defensive line to vicinity of the BHL.

- On order, in conjunction with ZSU forces, conduct offensive operations in order to cut off and expel RusFed forces from SUMY.

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ENDSTATE:

- SUMY liberated

- All local counter attacks contained

- ZSU forces intact

- Lines of Communication from BILOPILLYA forward to SUMY secured.

- NRF BG remains combat effective (less than 30% casualties)

- NRF BG prepared for future tasking.

General:

A four phase operation.

Phase 1: Linkup with ZSU forces and Battle Handover.

Phase 2: Impose delay on RusFed forces and shape them into Brigade and Divisional engagement areas.

Phase 3: Counter Attack to regain BHL positions.

Phase 4: Offensive operations to liberate SUMY and set conditions for political negotiations.

Groupings and tasks:

Phase 1:

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Recce Sqn:

- Advance to contact from Assy Area until linkup with ZSU forces achieved

- Destroy RusFed Recce assets

- Screen BG Advance

- Recce routes from route TROJAN to CT positions

- Reduce obstacles on route TROJAN

- Man Co-ord point on route AJAX

- Work with ZSU forces to ensure clean battle handover

German CT "CT ACHILLES":

- First in OoM

- Occupy position on BHL

- Keep route AJAX clear for ZSU forces

- Deny BHL

- Be prepared to fall back on order

Canadian CT "CT HECTOR":

- Third in OoM

- Occupy position on BHL

- Keep route AJAX clear for ZSU forces

- Deny BHL

US CT "CT ODYSSEUS":

- Fourth in OoM

- Occupy position on BHL

- Deny BHL

- Keep route AJAX clear for ZSU forces

- Be prepared to fall back on order

- Situational BG Reserve

UK CT "CT PERSEUS":

- Second in OoM

- Occupy position on BHL

- Keep route AJAX clear for ZSU forces

- Deny BHL

CT PEGASUS:

- Provide AH-64 / Tiger support forward of BHL

- Be prepared to support ZSU forces if the situation arises

- Be prepared to provide UAV coverage of over entire frontage and possible depth targets.

- Be prepared to insert Platoon by MRH-90 on order.

Main effort:

Achieve battle handover with ZSU

Supporting Effort(s):

- Secure BHL

- Provide strong show of force to RusFed

- Provide logistic spt to ZSU forces as required

Phase 2:

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Recce Sqn:

- Maintain screen

- Deny RusFed situational awareness of redeployment of German and US CTs

- Report on RusFed advance

- On order break contact and withdraw North to establish new screen vicinity 15 Northing to screen ZSU reorg.

- Assist with shaping where possible

German CT "CT ACHILLES":

- Occupy defensive position NLT 0500

- Co-ord with US CT

- Deny penetration towards BILOPILLYA

- Turn RusFed forces West into EAs North and South

- Provide Northern border to RusFed penetration towards EAs North and South

Canadian CT "CT HECTOR":

- Impose delay

- Avoid decisive engagement

- On order break to a second delay line

- Co-ord with UK CT

- On order swing back North West (pivot on your Left flank) to a third delay line fwd of the ZSU RV area

- After pivot link up with Recce screen

- Deny penetration to ZSU reorg loc

US CT "CT ODYSSEUS":

- Occupy defensive position NLT 0500

- Co-ord with German CT

- Deny route TROJAN

- Deny penetration towards BILOPILLYA

- Turn RusFed forces West into EAs North and South

- Provide Northern border to RusFed penetration towards EAs North and South

UK CT "CT PERSEUS":

- Impose delay

- Avoid decisive engagement

- On order break to second delay line

- Co-ord with Canadian CT

- On order move South West and defend village in GS 3408

- After pivot link up with Recce screen

- Provide Southern border to RusFed penetration towards EAs North and South

CT PEGASUS:

- Provide AH-64 / Tiger support to Canadian and UK CTs

- Provide UAV coverage of over entire frontage and possible depth targets

- Insert Platoon by MRH-90 to defend village in GS 2907 by NLT 0500

- Provide AH-64 / Tiger support EAs North and South to support Brigade and Divisional effort

- Be prepared to support ZSU forces if the situation arises

Main effort:

- UK and Canadian CTs

Supporting Effort(s):

- Shaping RusFed forces into EAs North and South

- Deny penetration towards BILOPILLYA

- Protect ZSU forces

Phase 3:

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Recce Sqn:

- Advance to contact from current location to BHL

- Destroy RusFed Recce assets

- Screen BG Advance

German CT "CT ACHILLES":

- Left forward in Assault

- Re-Occupy position on BHL

- LOE is BHL

Canadian CT "CT HECTOR":

- Depth in Assault

- Re-Occupy position on BHL

- LOE is BHL

US CT "CT ODYSSEUS":

- Right forward in Assault

- Clear SPARTAN en route to BHL

- Re-Occupy position on BHL

- LOE is BHL

UK CT "CT PERSEUS":

- BG Reserve

- Travel 10 mins behind Canadian CT

- Re-Occupy position on BHL

- LOE is BHL

- Be prepared to reinforce or exploit as required.

ZSU CT:

- Provide flank protection to BG

- Advance on parallel axis to the South of BG

- Occupy position on BHL

- LOE is BHL

CT PEGASUS:

- Provide AH-64 / Tiger support to forward CTs

- Be prepared to support ZSU forces if the situation arises

- Be prepared to provide UAV coverage of over entire frontage and possible depth targets.

Main effort:

Regaining the BHL

Supporting Effort(s):

- Keep ZSU in the fight

- Set conditions for Phase 4

Phase 4:

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Recce Sqn:

- Maintain screen location on BHL

- Deny RusFed Recce situational awareness

- Maintain contact with German / US CTs on the left and ZSU forces on the right

German CT "CT ACHILLES":

- First in Assault

- Re position prior to 0700, D+1

- Bypass airport

- Cut RusFed LOC.

- Be prepared to spt airport assault on order

Canadian CT "CT HECTOR":

- Maintain position on BHL

- Block and RusFed movement to the West

- On Order, advance and clear SUMY in support of ZSU force

US CT "CT ODYSSEUS":

- Second in Assault

- Re position prior to 0700, D+1

- Link up with PEGASUS forces in airport

- Cut RusFed LOC.

- Be prepared to spt airport assault on order

UK CT "CT PERSEUS":

- Maintain position on BHL

- Block and RusFed movement to the West

- On Order, advance and clear SUMY in support of ZSU force

ZSU CT:

- Advance and clear SUMY

- Secure "Critical Infrastructure 2"

- Link up with German / US CTs

- Use river to secure right flank

CT PEGASUS:

- Provide AH-64 / Tiger support to all attacks

- Conduct Air Assault on Airport

- Link up with US CT

- Be prepared to provide UAV coverage of over entire frontage and possible depth targets.

Main effort:

Secure SUMY

Supporting Effort(s):

- Set favourable conditions for political negotiations

- Minimise damage to Ukrainian infrastructure

Fires:

Guns can provide:

6 x 4 tube howitzer fire units

UK CT can provide:

3 x 3 tube mortar fire unit

Priority of fires will be determined at BG level and allocated accordingly.

Recce Sqn has priority for fire in Phase 1.

Issues identified during the Force Integration Training (FIT) has meant that a German JFT and the CV90 FO vehicle have been assigned to the Recce, Canadian, US and UK CTs to ensure that requests for fire are not held up with any comms or procedural issues.

Obstacles:

Suspect ZSU forces had limited time to create obstacles in depth.

May encounter RusFed obstacles in Phases 3 and 4.

Engineer effort:

Apart from organic mine plough support, there are breaching and bridging assets available in the echelon to support BG main effort as required.

Bids for Engr spt to BG HQ.

Main Effort for Engineer support currently is German CT in Phase 1.

Air:

Fighting units to make "local arrangements".

Air parity exists. We are high on the NATO Air Task Ord.

RusFed Air threat considered possible, escalating to likely from the completion of Phase 1.

Admin and Log:

The 2nd line Echelon is to provide additional Logistic support to nominated CTs on order.

CT PEGASUS logistic elements are to create a FARP and rearm, refuel helos as required.

Command and Sig:

Communications with ZSU units will be difficult at best. ZSU forces do not run compatible battlefield management systems.

There is a risk of fratricide when working with ZSU forces. NRF BG personnel are to minimise this risk through good drills and good AFV recognition skills.

Timings:

H Hour: 050100BAPR14

BHL Secured NLT: 050200BAPR14

Phase 1 complete no later than (NLT): 050230BAPR14

Phase 2 complete NLT: 050800BAPR14

Phase 3 complete NLT: 051800BAPR14

Phase 4 complete NLT: 060900BAPR14

Sunrise: approx. 0630

Sunset: approx. 1750

Nautical twilight begins at 0519, ends at 1900

Updates:

Updates to the OPORD will be by FRAGO.

Cleared by

I. M. Stickler, psc

MAJ

S3 NRF BG

25 MAR 14

F. Smith

LTCOL

CO NRF BG

25 MAR 14

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Excellent, orders and geo-data and received.

FSCT(Fire-Support-Coordination-Team) is set up and will attach to BDE HQ shortly.

Initial fires-plan for BDE support and plan for PAAs ready NLT 282000Bmar14. Detailed planing for support of CT-operations as soon as CT-plans have been published.

Initial information on field-artillery support was: 1xBN (3-batteries(6tubes)) of 155mm and 5xMGM-168 ATACMS - Block IVA.

Waiting for confirmation.

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Initial information on field-artillery support was: 1xBN (3-batteries(6tubes)) of 155mm and 5xMGM-168 ATACMS - Block IVA.

Waiting for confirmation.

Confirmed.

You also have access to UK Mortar Platoon if requred and BDE and DIV fires.

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Was playing around with the mission editor this morning to get some range practice with dismounts. When I tried to change the ammunition sets, I noticed that US infantry does not have access to Dragon ATGMs.

WTF?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!? :mad3:

The Dragon was available in the early 80's with the AT-4 following soon afterwards to replace the LAW. The mission editor allowed TOW teams but dismounts realistically didn't have access to those. I once put together a TOW system before, that sucked. Took way too long to assemble under peace time training, imagine under fire. Sucks. However, TOW's were allowed.

So my questions are: Does Operation Rising Bear have have Dragons I can have? If not, how can I change up my loadouts with a few TOWs since they available? Finally, how about changing up the other dismount teams? I saw AGL units...NIIIIIIIIICE :clin:

Not to be greedy, but after playing around with the tutorials, my dismounts can do more if you allow it.

Or am I stuck with using AT-4's at point blank range and Molotov cocktails? :cool3:

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Was playing around with the mission editor this morning to get some range practice with dismounts. When I tried to change the ammunition sets, I noticed that US infantry does not have access to Dragon ATGMs.

WTF?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!? :mad3:

The Dragon was available in the early 80's with the AT-4 following soon afterwards to replace the LAW. The mission editor allowed TOW teams but dismounts realistically didn't have access to those. I once put together a TOW system before, that sucked. Took way too long to assemble under peace time training, imagine under fire. Sucks. However, TOW's were allowed.

So my questions are: Does Operation Rising Bear have have Dragons I can have? If not, how can I change up my loadouts with a few TOWs since they available? Finally, how about changing up the other dismount teams? I saw AGL units...NIIIIIIIIICE :clin:

Not to be greedy, but after playing around with the tutorials, my dismounts can do more if you allow it.

Or am I stuck with using AT-4's at point blank range and Molotov cocktails? :cool3:

If you read the OPORD you'd realise this is set in 2014.

Note:

1. The back story that says "In 2013 ..."

2. All the timings in the timings section end in "14" again not "8X".

3. The signature block dates - 2014, not 198X!

You really want Dragon in 2014 (even if it were modelled) ???????

Line Infantry don't get TOW.

You get what you get - you do not get to change the load outs of anything.

You don't get an AGL team in a Mech Inf Platoon. So you wont get one here.

You have a doctrinal Mech Inf Platoon for 2014 - not some ad hoc grab whatever you feel like collection of "stuff" that you might have taken to the sandpit.

Your CT Commander is happy with what he has - you as one of of his Platoon Commanders go with his choice.

Sorry but the one file goes to everyone and you can't make sh*t up to match your personal desires. :)

If you still have a beef, talk to your CT CO.

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Well hopefully not "all" next month as the operation will be completed in the first week. :)

LOL...I'm all out of sorts...we got more snow here last night. Ugh! :mad3: :)

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It's what we do: whine, complain, and try to make stuff up in order to survive:clin:

Last I knew, infantry makes up 80% of all military casualties in modern warfare. Only natural for us to try and increase our chances:cool3:

So, before I get banned, I'll be good :bigsmile:

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You are welcome to whine, I've not known soldiers who don't (including me). :)

I'm just using the chain of command.

You're a PL commander so if you have an issue talk to your CAPT.

If he agrees he can talk to me.

But I got to tell you - it aint gonna change. ;)

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Chain of command?

Was that the steel one, I beat guys up with, till they comply with my orders 8-)

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"Do you know what the chain of command is??!!"

"Its the chain I go beat you with till ya'll understand who's in ruttin' command here!" --- Jayne Cobb.

:)

Anyway.

"Sar! I Understand we we have an American riding with us on this spiffing little jolly, What!"

"Please remind him that we drink Tea, Crab Standard in this outfit!

"Don't you know?"

"Good show!"

"2nd Troop, Standing by. Sar!"

(Well you've got to get into character, eh? :) )

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