Tacbat Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 No kidding. What's your alternative then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpow66m Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 No kidding. What's your alternative then?none,people seem to think shooting someone in the leg is a humane way of doing things.when in fact wounding someone can be used to draw his fellows out in to the open ,then they become targets.from what i have heard that is happening there too.dont know if its true or not,but getting hit w/ a 7.62 x 54 anywhere isnt going to be pleasant.Freedom is a messy bussiness. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotareneg Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Hey, I saw Terminator 2, and according to that movie getting shot in the knee is harmless! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacbat Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 none Exactlty. people seem to think shooting someone in the leg is a humane way of doing things.What people? To me, it beats the alternative. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maj.Hans Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Exactlty. What people? To me, it beats the alternative.They may as well line a dozen of them up against a brick wall and shoot them all in the brain stem.Same message: We shoot protestors. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotareneg Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 2014-02-21 TGIF battle:FGhH3Ifw7gA Annoyingly, Youtube's crummy content ID system claimed I had copyrighted music in my video, leading me to edit the audio very slightly and then re-upload the whole 5 gig video. :heu: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Thunder Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 I watched an episode of future weapons whereAn American company was developing a none lethal riot control device I think it used some Type of Microwave technology.The Shows presenter Mac a ex navy seal only lasted a couple of minutes when they demonstrated the device on him. He reckoned there was no way any human could take the Discomfort for any prolonged period .they could set the Device to cover a crowd or pick out A single guy.He Was advised to clear his bowls before the test. LoLThere is another sonic device that puts out a highly directional sonic beam of such intensity that it is supposed to disable a person hunderds of yards away. I think it might be called the "LRAD". The Japanese whalers in the Antarctic installed some on their ships to fend off the anti-whaling group harassing their fleet. I saw it in use on the program called "Whale Wars". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpow66m Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 "What people? To me, it beats the alternative."My point being,if your going to shoot to wound then dont shoot at all w/ live rounds.use rubber or polymer bullets.but being that the protesters were also using live rounds its a 2 way street.I understand this is Ukraine and they probally dont have alot of officers who were trained in or have a large cache of LTL weapons.i dont know much about Ukraine,but i do hope they break the parsitic yoke of the Russian Govt which has in the past and will continue to leech off the decent people there and wish them well for their fight for freedom and to be free of oppression. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpow66m Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Hey, I saw Terminator 2, and according to that movie getting shot in the knee is harmless! lol,if u r made out of titanium.:clin: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invader ZIM Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) Ahh LRAD, they used them in my hometown for the G-20 summit in Pittsburgh. Not our proudest moment I admit. Warning!!TURN YOUR SPEAKERS DOWN!!! Field exercise using multiple LRAD's which stop the attackers. The high pitched warble or screech is the LRAD. First time I saw it, and yes, in person, if they crank it up and direct it at you, it will make you stop what your doing. It could have been worse though. But many countries don't have this kind of technology readily available. To be honest, I'm not sure why they don't use the rubber bullets in the Ukraine, or the bean bag shotgun. There's alternatives, it's painful to watch people being disabled with live rounds though. Edited February 24, 2014 by Invader ZIM 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacbat Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 They may as well line a dozen of them up against a brick wall and shoot them all in the brain stem.Same message: We shoot protestors.I think there's a bit of a difference between "shooting" a protester, and "executing" them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacbat Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 use rubber or polymer bullets.Just how effective do you think those would have been when the protesters were using shields? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpow66m Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 the executions wont come until monday when the olympics are over and putin sends in the goon squads. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpow66m Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Just how effective do you think those would have been when the protesters were using shields?Effective enough esp when most protesters were shot from the flanks.like i said im not questioning whose right or wrong or the means to an end.the protesters gouged out the eye of an LEO,dont know how true it is,but if it is id shoot the scum too.im sure both sides have done some unpleasant things.a rubber or polymer bullet carrys quite a wallop in close quarters,many have been killed by them just look at the history of Ireland.as for the Police,is it the Police doing the shooting or a ''SF'' goon squad?both sides are shooting live ammo now so the point is moot.the protesters have broken into several govt compounds and found files on the opposition media.That dont sound like a free govt to me.yes i know all govts do it to an extent.Russia is a leech and a parasite that feeds on the the smaller weak countries,drains them and turns them into a barren wasteland of desperation.the Russian people can do better,and i hope the Ukrainian people do,because if their current pres,who broke all his promises,stays in power theyll be just another 1970s soviet bloc stlye country.Sometimes violence is the ultimate answer to brutality and corruption 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted February 24, 2014 Members Share Posted February 24, 2014 Guys, this is about as close as a discussion can get about political topics on this forum. It'd be nice if you could moderate your condemnations of either party (besides, it seems like the revolt (and with it, the shooting) is largely over). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Thunder Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Ahh LRAD, they used them in my hometown for the G-20 summit in Pittsburgh.Every time I hear an LRAD I think of those giant locusts in the 1950s SciFi B-movie "The Beginning of the End." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TankHunter Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I'm not going to go into any Manichean silliness here, I hope no one mistakes it as such. From at least one video there are people who were shot in the head/neck area, or what would seem to be the body. So there was more than "shoot to stop" involved.As regards the protests themselves, the country is a new one. politically there is a split along the pre-1939 borders. With the West being pro-EU and the rest being pro-Russia, with the Russian minority being Russophilic. The protests themselves consisted of Russophobic groups, including Svoboda which seems to have an issue with the "Muscovite-Jewish" conspiracy as they call it, what ever that is. That's not their only commonality with the Nazis it would seem (from what I hear they were a major player in the street fights during the protests). They weren't a majority in the protests as far as I'm aware, and they have 10% of the vote, but it is something that has to be mentioned considering they may gain power and influence in a new government.For Russia a war trigger is their base at Sevastopol. It is quite possible that a new anti-Russian Ukrainian government may renege on the deal as regards Russian basing rights. The reason for it being a war trigger is that they have no other base that is ready along the Black Sea. Russia has a few options for dealing with a potentially hostile government, one would be that Russia would seek to split off Russian majority areas from the Ukraine. Another is that they will seek to get someone who is sympathetic to their interests in power. Another consideration for Russia is the risk that such things may be attempted at home. The combination of these things implies to me that things are far from over, and that there is a risk of a great power confrontation. The Olympics are over so the Russians are no longer forced into inaction. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpow66m Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Guys, this is about as close as a discussion can get about political topics on this forum. It'd be nice if you could moderate your condemnations of either party (besides, it seems like the revolt (and with it, the shooting) is largely over).No problem.But can we get a spot for this type of disscussion?.........mmmmeeehhhh on second thought never mind.would be to many problems.:clin: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacbat Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 FFZ. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invader ZIM Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Every time I hear an LRAD I think of those giant locusts in the 1950s SciFi B-movie "The Beginning of the End." Holy crap Captain Thunder, you're right!! lol How in the world did I ever miss seeing this movie!? It has everything a guy could want, giant killer insects, flame throwing tanks, wide scale mayhem, atom bombs, oh my!! It's hilarious! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Thunder Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Holy crap Captain Thunder, you're right!! lol!Another 50s B-movie that uses a similar sound to the LRAD is "THEM". It sounds even more like the LRAD. You'll hear it around 01:00.q2PLls02gOU 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invader ZIM Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Now that's a classic I saw before. There's certainly no shortage of Cheese and Ham we made when it comes to movies.... I'm just glad we weren't alone making this stuff lol. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daskal Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 DO3305bYrDE 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Thunder Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Now that's a classic I saw before.Ah, yes, I remember that one. I especially like the robot that looks like a walking refrigerator. Lol! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TankHunter Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 jTCkuHc__ZQ hdu_S0LFPKg Footage of Mi-24s over Crimea.NXAuRWTIUc8 And footage of the Russian military exercise covering movements for their intervention. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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