JohnO Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 While I sent off two messages to Duke and Gary Owen. I thought I would give it a shot that someone here on this forum will have or know where to go and get it.ThanksJohnO 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 Grenny maybe able to help too since that is his job. I suspect you may need to at least provide a date range though as I'm pretty sure their structure changed fairly frequently between 49 and 89. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnO Posted October 9, 2014 Author Share Posted October 9, 2014 Crap, forgot about Grenny. Sending him a message right now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D u k e Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Hi John,a not so easy question. You want to make a mission with this informations, so in which time/ year plays your scenario?cheersD u k e 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenny Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 I can provide info about the 1990ish struktures if that helps. But at brigade template would be quiete big in SB standarts. (4 line BN + double the nr. of vehicles for support) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Well he was after a MRR a while back so I guess big is good? :-) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermes Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 (edited) Dear all,I believe the following which Falli provided could help a lot: http://www.steelbeasts.org/forumdisplay.php?103-Heeresstruktur-4No need for excessive use of a German dictionary :clin:Hermes Edited October 9, 2014 by Hermes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnO Posted October 9, 2014 Author Share Posted October 9, 2014 Yes, thanks Hermes, just what I was looking for.Yes, was looking for a Brigade size formations but thought about it, and think a battalion size element would work. As for the time frame, 1989 - 1990.This is what I have and was going to use this document to build a brigade size elementhttps://db.tt/AKVZtSLo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermes Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 and to see which unit was stationed where and whether it had Leo 1 or 2 and Marder or M 113 I introduce the following, maybe known link:http://www.microarmormayhem.com/BW_OOB.pdfYou may need some twenty german words to be translated to work with it... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnO Posted October 9, 2014 Author Share Posted October 9, 2014 I have that already Hermes, thanks.Grenny, do you have a PzGrenBtl template made. Could you send it to me, danke. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D u k e Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 http://www.steelbeasts.org/showthread.php?7665-Panzergrenadierbataillon-(PzGrenBrig) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnO Posted October 9, 2014 Author Share Posted October 9, 2014 Thanks Duke. I was hoping I didn't have to build it, but with this information I will build a template of the PzGrenBtl and post it so that other players don't have to reinvent the wheel every time. :bigsmile: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenny Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Thanks Duke. I was hoping I didn't have to build it, but with this information I will build a template of the PzGrenBtl and post it so that other players don't have to reinvent the wheel every time. :bigsmile:Well I have one ready, but thats a "Neues Heer" PzGrenBtl (so more 1998/99..ish) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnO Posted October 9, 2014 Author Share Posted October 9, 2014 Well I have one ready, but thats a "Neues Heer" PzGrenBtl (so more 1998/99..ish)That could work. Could you send it please. I'm also working on a 1989-1990 time frame right now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryOwen Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Perhaps this was what you were looking for. I have no idea who the original author was. PanzerBrigadeTemplate.zip 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnO Posted October 10, 2014 Author Share Posted October 10, 2014 Perhaps this was what you were looking for. I have no idea who the original author was.Yes, this is the one I was looking for. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnO Posted October 10, 2014 Author Share Posted October 10, 2014 After looking at all the information that was posted I elected to build a West German Panzerbrigade 21 template. Working on it right now and will post the template. Attach is the document showing what is in the PzBrig21. Panzerbrigade 21.zip 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisenschwein Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 If you need a helping Hand, here I am.It is one of the oldest (former) Brigades of the Bundeswehr, with a interesting History.So, if you need some..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnO Posted October 10, 2014 Author Share Posted October 10, 2014 If you need a helping Hand, here I am.It is one of the oldest (former) Brigades of the Bundeswehr, with a interesting History. So, if you need some..... thanks, will be asking questions and will send email to you. Thanks for the help. At least I get to practice asking my wife questions about words in German. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnO Posted October 15, 2014 Author Share Posted October 15, 2014 (edited) Here is the first of the PzBrig21 template. What I build first is the PzBtl211 a mix Panzer Bataillon. Next after I work on my scenario will be the Panzergrenadierbataillon 212.Attach is a sce file and a Excel spreadsheet showing the equipment. If there is any problems with it please let me know.NOTE I removed the attachment and will make the changes to it an will repost an update file. Edited October 16, 2014 by JohnO 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisenschwein Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Äh, no! First of all, the first Company is a Maintenance and Command Company like this. Later more have to go to work now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisenschwein Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Part 2:First of all you must know, Bundeswehr in that Period use 2 OOB Models. V-StAN and F-StAN.( V=Verteidigung= War and F=Frieden= Peace Times)In the Pic above you can see the Man strength of the Units, here V-StANV 2/18/43/63 means: 2 Officers/18 NCO/43 Enlisted all in all 63 Man.The so called "Einser" Bataillone, Battalions that Number ends with a One (your Example Panzerbataillon 211) have a F-StAN without the 1st Company and the other Companys where attached to the other Battalions of the Brigade. For Example in Peace Times (F-StAN): 3rd Company PzBtl 211 was attached to PzBtl 213, 4th Company PzBtl 211 to PzBtl 214.The OOB and Mixture of Tank and APC Types of this "Einser Bataillone" depends on what Type of Brigade they are attached to.In a mechanized Infantry Brigade (Panzergrenadierbrigade) they have 2 mech. Infantry Companys and 1 Tank Company. Mostly the 2nd and 3rd Companys are mech. Infantry and the 4th is a Tank Company.Example: 2nd and 3rd Co. PzGrenBtl 71 are mech. Infantry with Marder and the 4th Company is a Tank Co. with Leop 1.In a Tank Brigade it´s the other Way round, 2nd Co. is a mech Infantry and 3rd and 4th are Tank Companys. So PzBtl 211 have 1 mech. Inf. and 2 Tank Companys.The Tank Companys in a Tank Brigade are equipped with Leop 2A4, the Tank Company in the mech. Inf. Brigade are equipped with Leop 1 (mostly).So you have to know what Type of Brigade is it I try to simulate...here is a Link:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/4/4f/HStruk-IV_Feldheer_OrBat.svg/5500px-HStruk-IV_Feldheer_OrBat.svg.png(I always start too cry like a 6 year old Girl when I take a look at it)You will notice that all "Einser Bataillone" have a small Triangle down right in their tactical Sign, that means" Not fully equipped and manned", that`s the missing 1st Company.Some of this Type Battalions are also not fully equipped with Tanks or APC´s.Hopefully I can help you out and it´s interesting for the Others. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnO Posted October 17, 2014 Author Share Posted October 17, 2014 Danke, Eisenschwein. Ich werde dies jetzt auf Sparflamme setzen. Ich muss die ersten paar Szenarien beenden und dann arbeite ich auf diese. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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