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After some more digging I found that there were two versions of the TML 105 turret. The early version didn't have any stabilization system. The late version, which could be seen on most Vextra pics, had a Sagem SAVAN 15 day/thermal gunner's sight and fire-control system and a Sagem VIGY 15 stabilised commander's sight in order to give the vehicle full fire-on-move capability, even against moving targets (the SAVAN 15 stabilised gunner's day/thermal sight was also used in the Challenger 2E).

I think we need one of our French guys to add to this, :cool3:

Well, it's quite complicated since there is no production series. It's just a prototype turret that did evolve with the time.

As far as I can tell both TK105 and TML105 were proposed to the customers with stab and other componants as options.

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Schützenpanzer SAURER 4K 4FA

The design work on the 4K 4FA series began in 1956, and was one of Austria’s first post-World War 2 armored vehicle

projects.The first prototype, the 3K 3H, had basically the same shape, but was smaller and had a Sauer 3H 200-horsepower

diesel engine.This prototype, completed 1958, was quickly re-worked into the 4K 3H, which had a better internal layout but was otherwise the same as the 3K 3H.

The next prototype, the 4K 2P, had essentially the same hull layout as the 4K 4FA that eventually resulted, and was powered by a Sauer 2P 250-horsepower diesel engine. A few minor changes resulted in the first

production version, the 4K 4F.The later versions of this series of vehicles differed only in a few minor details and their engines.

The 4K 4FA series was used only by Austria; it was to have been completely replaced by the Ulan (the Austrian version of the ASCOD) between 2002-2004, but budgetary problems reared its ugly head, and the 4K 4FA series will have to soldier on for possibly as long as 2015. Some 445 of all versions of the 4K 4FA were built, with production ending in 1968.

The 4K 4FA is powered by a Sauer 4FA 250-horsepower engine that is very similar to the 2P engine of the 4K 4F.

A slightly earlier version, the 4K 3FA, differs only in the engine,

which is a Sauer 3FA 230-horsepower diesel. The suspension is well-made and gives the crew and passengers a reasonably-smooth ride for an APC of its period, and the good horsepower-to-weight ratio gives the 4K 4FA excellent speed and maneuverability.

The interior is rather cramped, primarily due to the narrow width and short height of the 4K 4FA, as well as the fact that the fuel tanks are inside the walls of the passenger compartment.

That low silhouette helps protect the vehicle to an extent, but also means that the fuel tanks are rather small. The commander, on the other hand, had a roomy position with a large hatch.

The driver’s position is in front of the commander’s position, and for that reason the 4K 4FA was designed to have no

commander’s armament, though a pintle mount was later added to many 4K 4FAs, and some also have varying sizes of gun shields. The rear deck has a large hatchway above the passenger compartment (enough for six troops to stand upright in it); some 4K 4FAs have from 1-4 pintle mounts around that rear deck hatch.

At the rear of the vehicle is a large door for egress and ingress. The 4K 4FA does not have any NBC system, nor does it have radiological shielding.No night vision is provided; and the 4K 4FA is not amphibious. Frontal armor is

fairly heavy, with side and rear armor being relatively thin; however, the sides do have a decent slope to them, which helps with the protection factor. The 4K 4FA is basically a “battlefield bus.”

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4K 4FA-G2 (Grenadier-Schützenpanzer)

This is similar to the basic 4K 4FA-G1 but is fitted with an Oerlikon Contraves GAD-AOA one-person turret which is armed with a 20 mm Oerlikon Contraves cannon Model 204 GK. This is belt-fed and can be used in both the ground and anti-aircraft roles. The weapon is provided with 100 rounds of ready use ammunition and the empty cartridge cases and links are ejected outside the turret. The 20 mm cannon has an elevation of +70° and a depression of -12°, turret traverse is 360°. Although its company designation is the 4K 4FA-G2 its Austrian Army designation is the MK66SPz Schützenpanzer/Mashinenkanone 66.

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4K 4F GrW1 81 mm Mortar Carrier (Granatwerfer-SPz)

Mounted in the rear of the troop compartment, firing forwards, is an 81 mm mortar. A 120 mm self-propelled mortar was developed to the prototype stage (GrW2) but never entered service. The vehicle is armed with an 8.1 cm mGrW 82 (Mittelschwere Granatwerfer 82). Minimum range of the mortar is 180 m with maximum range being 5,850 m, normal rate of fire is 6 rounds per minute with maximum rate of fire being 18 to 25 rounds per minute.

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Saurer 4K 7FA

The Steyr-Daimler-Puch 4K 7FA G 127 is an up-armoured version of the earlier Saurer 4K 4FA.

The APC is fitted with the Steyr-Daimler-Puch 7FA diesel engine and transmission installed in the SK 105 tank destroyer, which was also manufactured by Steyr-Daimler-Puch. The first prototype of the 4K 7FA G 127 was completed in 1976, with first production vehicles following in 1977. The Steyr-Daimler-Puch 4K 7FA G 127 has been exported to Bolivia (6), Greece (manufactured under licence) and Nigeria (170).

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Canadian AVGP Family

The 6x6 Mowag Piranha was chosen as the basis for a new family of CF wheeled armoured vehicles in 1977. Licensed production was undertaken by GM Canada's Diesel Division of London, Ontario between 1979 and 1982 as the AVGP family. Three types were built: the Grizzly ISC infantry section carrier or APC (269 built), large-gunned Cougar tank trainers (195 built), and Husky repair / recovery vehicles (27 built). The three AVGP variants differed from each other primarily by turret types or specialty equipment fitted. They shared the same basic hull arrangement and running gear. A diesel engine was mounted in the right front of the hull. The driver sat to the left of the engine and selected either four-rear-wheel drive for road travel or six-wheel drive for off-road. The crew commander sat directly behind the driver or in the Cougar turret.

The AVGP's 215 hp/160 kW Detroit Diesel engine was similar to that of the tracked M113 power plant as was its 4-spd Allison automatic transmission. Initially, the AVGPs were seen as Reserve equivalents to the Regular Force's M113s. One obvious difference was how the vehicles swam. M113s were track swimmers while AVGPs had twin propellers on the rear hull corners and a retractable trim vane on their nose. The hydrodynamic shape of the lower hull partly inspired the AVGPs' nickname: the "Boat".

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(some may recognize that handsome commander)

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The Cougar is fitted with a complete turret of a FV101 Scorpion light tank, armed with a 76mm L23A1 gun, capable of firing HESH, Smoke BE (base ejected), and Canister rounds. A co-axial C6 machine gun was also fitted as well as 66-mm smoke grenade launchers (2 clusters of 4 launchers).

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Last rounds down range, Argus firing point in support of Inf Coy def position, I still have mu last shell as a memory of the last shoot..

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MY younger years....

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AVGP Grizzly

Armoured, Personnel Carrier (GRIZZLY), this vehicle mounts the manually traversed American Cadillac Gage turret armed with a 12.7mm MG and a 7.62mm MG mounted coaxially. It has a crew of three and carries an additional six troops; for a total of nine. Entry and exit for the infantry is by two doors in the hull rear. A total of 269 Grizzlies were built.

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AVGP Husky Recovery Vehicle

Originally, Husky AVGP armoured recovery vehicles were designated as the "Car, Armoured, Maintenance & Recovery" or "Wheeled Maintenance & Recovery Vehicle". The Husky has a raised rear compartment to provide room for a modest workshop space. The most dramatic distinction from other AVGPs is the rooftop crane. The Husky otherwise follows the layout of the Grizzly ISC complete with optional GPMG on a rotating pintle-mount in the rear position.

The Husky has a crew of only two – the driver and a technician (who operated the ARV's defensive armament and the Hiab 650-series knuckle-boom hydraulic crane). That roof-mounted hoist had a 4500 kg capacity and was operated from within the armour hull. To extend its reach, the Hiab crane was also extensible to about 6.5 m. The Husky was stabilized during heavy crane using its two, swing-down hydraulic jacks pivoting from just in front of the rear wheel sets. Along with engine pulls, [The big reach - Husky ARV's Hiab 650-series crane] the crane also helped with tire changes on other AVGPs. [2] The Husky was were also equipped with a hydraulic winch (with a pull of up to 8128 kg

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Canadian AVGP Family

So in the end some were to be re-roled into other AFV's, below are a few examples, as well a few vids.

Interesting for being a tank trainer for the the reserves it saw more action than our Leopards up to the last deployment.

Below the turret trainer that we spent many hours on, there was a cabin version as well.

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AFV of the week has returned!!:luxhello::luxhello:

This weeks AFV is a cold War warrior the AMX-30 MBT

The AMX-30 main battle tank entered service in France the 1960s and has been exported to many different countries since then. While It is no longer being produced, it remains in service in in the middle east and elsewhere

In 1957, France and Germany embarked on a joint project to create a European tank, known as the Europa Panzer, that would be comparable to American and British medium tanks. Italy joined this project in 1958.

Because the three countries had different priorities, conflicts developed. Eventually, the project was cancelled.:heu:

Italy, Germany and France decided to pursue tank development separately.

Instead of building a new main battle tank, Italy purchased M60 Patton Main Battle tanks from America.

West Germany and France began building their own tanks - Germany's Leopard I and the France's AMX-30.

The first prototype of the AMX-30 main battle tank was completed 1960. The first production model, the AMX-30B, entered production in 1966, the same year that France withdrew from NATO. (France rejoined NATO in 2009.)

The AMX-30 main battle tank entered service in 1967.

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Pretty sure I added the AMX -30 to the wish list a couple of times

considering we have a good collection of post war MBT of all flavours.

The AMX was the mainstay for the French for a long time and sold well on the export market,

Its addition to SB even if it were not playable, would make for some very interesting mission Making. plus early variant leo-1 v Early variant -AMX-30 would be fun as hell in H2H if both were playable.

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Thanks DarkLabour!:luxhello::luxhello:

The first production versions of the AMX-30, named AMX 30B to distinguish them from the AMX 30A prototypes, were completed in June 1966, manufactured with a welded and cast hull and a fully cast turret.

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The production version of the tank had a combat weight of 36 metric tons (40 short tons). The AMX-30's survivability was based on its mobility; French engineers believed that the tank's mobility would have been compromised had they added enough steel plating to protect against modern anti-tank threats, including high explosive anti-tank warheads (HEAT). As a result, the type had the thinnest armour of any main battle tank produced at the time. The turret has a maximum armour thickness of 50 millimetres (2.0 in), the armour sloped at 70 degrees on the front plate and 23 degrees on the side, offering protection against 20-millimetre (0.79 in) armour piercing projectiles. The Line-of-Sight armour values are: 79-millimeter (3.1 in) for the front of the hull; 59-millimetre (2.3 in) for the forward sides of the hull; 30-millimetre (1.2 in) for the rear sides and rear of the hull; 15-millimetre (0.59 in) for the hull top and bottom; 80.8-millimeter (3.18 in) for the turret front; 41.5-millimeter (1.63 in) for the turret sides; 50-millimetre (2.0 in) for the turret rear and 20-millimetre (0.79 in) for the turret top. Further protection is offered by a nuclear, biological and chemical protection suit, including a ventilation system.

One of the unique features of the AMX-30 was the Obus à Charge Creuse de 105 mm Modèle F1 (Obus G) HEAT projectile and its main gun, the Modèle F1, a monoblock steel 105-millimeter (4.1 in) cannon.

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HEAT warheads suffer when spin stabilized, a product of rifled barrels, causing the French to develop the Obus G, (Gresse). This projectile was composed of two major parts, including the outer shell and a suspended inner shell, divided by ball bearings. This allowed the projectile to be spin-stabilized, and therefore more accurate than a normal fin-stabilized HEAT-round, while the inner shell did not move, allowing the warhead to work at maximum efficiency. The warhead, containing 780 gram hexolite, could penetrate up to 400 millimeters (16 in) of steel armour and was effective against tanks at up to 3,000 meters (3,300 yd). As it combined a good accuracy with a penetration that was independent of range, it has been considered an "ideal round" for its day The AMX-30 was also designed to fire the OCC F1 Mle.60 high explosive projectile, the SCC F1 training warhead and the OFUM PH-105 F1 smoke round. The main gun was coupled with a 380-millimeter (15 in) recoil brake, which had a maximum extension of 400 millimeters (16 in), and could depress to -8 degrees or elevate to 20 degrees.

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The turret's firepower was augmented by a coaxial 12.7-millimeter (0.50 in) (Later replace by a 20mm.)

M2 Browning machine gun. The tank commander also made use of a 7.62-millimeter (0.300 in) anti-aircraft machine gun on the turret roof. The vehicle carried 50 105-millimeter (4.1 in) projectiles, 748 12.7-millimeter (0.50 in) rounds and 2,050 7.62-millimeter (0.300 in) bullets. The tank commander was issued a cupola which offered ten all-around direct-vision episcopes, and a binocular telescope with 10x magnification.

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The commander was also given an optical full-field coincidence range finder.

The gunner was given a telescoping gun sight and two observation periscopes.

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AMX-30

The production version of the AMX-30 was fitted with Hispano-Suiza's HS-110 diesel engine, located in the rear of the hull.

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The 28.8 liters (1,760 cu in) engine could be replaced on the field in 45 minutes, and produced 720 horsepower (540 kW), offering the tank a maximum velocity of 65 kilometers per hour (40 mph) on roads. The fuel efficient engine, in conjunction with a total fuel capacity of 970 liters (260 U.S. gal), gave the AMX-30 a maximum road range of up to 600 kilometers (370 mi). The engine's drive is taken through a Gravina G.H.B.200C twin-plate centrifugal clutch. The gearbox was an AMX 5-SD-200D, with five forward gears and five reverse gears. This transmission was heavily influenced by that of the German Panther tank and was based on a project which had begun in 1938. The transmission was one of the AMX-30's major faults and caused a variety of mechanical problems, including that the driver would have to manually change gears at specific times, even if the tank was moving over rough terrain. The tank's weight is distributed over five double, aluminum-alloy, rubber-tyred road wheels on either side, propelled on 570-millimeter (22 in) wide tracks. The tank could ford 1.3-meter (1.4 yd) deep water obstacles without preparation, up to 2 meters (2.2 yd) with minor preparation, and up to 4 meters (4.4 yd) with full preparation.[38] Full preparation for water operations consisted of the addition of a snorkel tube, the installation of blanking plates, carried on the front of the hull, over the engine compartment's air intake louvers, and the installment of infra-red driving equipment, including a searchlight. In 1969 a single special dive training vehicle was adapted, nicknamed the AMX 30 Gloutte (from French faire glouglou, "gurgle"), without engine and tracks, that over a ramp could quickly be lowered into a reservoir by a winch; it was equipped with an escape tube.

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AMX 30

AMX-30B2 improved variant with better armor protection and new fire control system.

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This MBT is also fitted with new Hispano-Suiza HS-110-S2 diesel engine. The AMX-30B2 entered service in 1982. A total of 700 AMX-30 MBTs were upgraded to this standard;

The AMX 30 B2 is able to fight in a contaminated atmosphere and to cross in immersion of the water levels 2 depth m (4 m with snorkel). It is intended for all missions requiring operations in traditional or nuclear environments power: direct destruction of the enemy forces, and in priority of the armoured forces immediate and major exploitation of the effects of the others weapons, in particular of the nuclear weapon.It is encased in rolled plates and castings, entirely welded; traditional turret, entirely cast, of very shaped form.

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AMX30 B2 Espagnol

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AMX30 "Brennus"

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AMX-30

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For Operation Desert Storm in the Middle East in 1991, most of the French Army AMX-30 B2 MBTs deployed to Saudi Arabia were modified with the installation of an infrared decoy system mounted on the forward part of the turret and smoke/decoy launchers mounted either side of the turret.

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AMX-30 with ERA

Under contract to the French Army, Giat Industries has developed an ERA package for part of the French Army's fleet of AMX-30 B2 MBTs.

The ERA package uses the Giat Industries BS (Brique de Surblindage) G2 module which is claimed to be resistant to small arms fire up to 20 mm in calibre but when hit by a HEAT warhead the module provides protection equivalent to 400 mm of steel armour at an angle of 60°.

Two AMX-30 B2 battalions of the FAR (Rapid Deployment Force) have been equipped with the ERA package while an additional two battalions will be fitted for but not with the ERA package.

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This ERA package is being offered for installation on other MBTs by Giat Industries.

AMX-30 Venezuela

In 1985, SABCAof Belgium was awarded a contract to modernise Venezuelan AMX-30 MBTs with a new fire-control system. Teledyne Continental Motors (now General Dynamics Land Systems) of the USA has also modernised at least one Venezuelan AMX-30 with a 908 hp version of the AVDS-1790 series diesel engine coupled to a fully automatic transmission; speed is increased to 65 km/h and the operating range with increased fuel capacity is up from 535 km to 721 km. The AMX-30 was also fitted with a new fire-control system incorporating a laser range-finder, weapon stabilisation system and sensors for wind, temperature and humidity and a modernised commander's station. The driver's station has also been modernised, a fire detection and suppression system installed and the vehicle can now lay its own smoke screen by injecting diesel fuel into the exhaust system.

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Twin 30 mm anti-aircraft gun system

This is an updated version of the turret installed on the AMX-13 light tank chassis, but installed on an AMX-30 chassis specifically to meet the requirements of Saudi Arabia which took delivery of a total of 53 vehicles. The chassis is fitted with a power-operated turret armed with twin 30 mm cannon for which a total of 600 rounds of ready use ammunition is carried (300 for each gun) with a further 900 rounds being carried in reserve. Mounted on the turret rear is the radar system.

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AMX 30 Demin

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AMX 30 D FORAD

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AMX 30 DT

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