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The liabilities that smaller states might have to suffer from obtaining Nuke capabilities are little. The gains they instantly achieve are immeasurable, and permanent.

There is little if any evidence at all that it works this way. Consider how many non-nuclear states have defied the will of the United States, a nuclear super power- if the US decided to use force on them, it's always conventional.

If Lichtenstein suddenly acquired nuclear weapons, it's not as if suddenly they have gained lots of respect as a major player, what it does in fact is increase their potential problems substantially as nuclear enemies can now legitimately reserve their nuclear weapons against them. Many states could probably develop nuclear weapons and would still choose not to, for it doesn't afford them anything more, but it does make them legitimate targets for nuclear weapons.

North Korea is a supposed nuclear power, and it doesn't mean that the US or South Korea necessarily change their policies, it doesn't actually give them anything that their conventional forces haven't been doing for decades. It has helped to bankrupt them in acquiring them, though.

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and an interesting post from Themess.net

http://themess.net/forum/military-discussion/10686-russian-tank-armata-revealed?p=11813#post11813

http://forumimage.ru/show/102174105

АФАР 4шт. - AESA, 4 units

ПУ КАЗ - APS launcher

Блок дистанционного управления поражающими элементами КАЗ - APS interceptors remote controller

Приёмники ЛИ 4 шт. (по 2 с каждого борта) - laser beam detectors, 4 units, 2 per each side

http://forumimage.ru/show/102174108

Комплекс постановки активных помех - Active countermeasures complex

Блок дистанционного обнаружения/управления КАЗ - APS remote detector/controller

ТВ камера - TV camera

http://sg.uploads.ru/H6Oyt.jpg

..Claims that those vertical cells are APS against top-attack threats like Javelin or Spike

..Claims, that those smoke grenades launchers can be used as APS, because they can rotate (lolwut?)

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North Korea is a supposed nuclear power, and it doesn't mean that the US or South Korea necessarily change their policies, it doesn't actually give them anything that their conventional forces haven't been doing for decades. It has helped to bankrupt them in acquiring them, though.

It only makes a real criminal and inhumane badass regime untouchable and gives it card blanche to export its evil to all world. Dictators like this have the habit to not be shy to pull down everybody along with them if one is going for their throat: if their people canot fight successful to make them master stay, the people does not deserve to live. And so they go boooom.

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Found some good pics and a video of the amarta

Well worth a look.

Trying to find out more about its active protection system

Wondering if its good enough to stop a hellfire missile.

http://defense-update.com/20150509_t14-t15_analysis.html

Looks like it uses a soft-kill against top attacks (assuming the smaller ones are some sort of multi spectral smoke).

http://forumimage.ru/show/102174108

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I just realized that all the sensors in a less armored and larger turret. It would be easier than going after the crew.

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Yea. I agree.

So am I all mistaken that heat or MPAT to turret could make t-14 nearly useless to fight with?

Thought I do wonder.. if and how many back up systems they have.

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Yea. I agree.

So am I all mistaken that heat or MPAT to turret could make t-14 nearly useless to fight with?

Thought I do wonder.. if and how many back up systems they have.

a HEAT or MPAT to the turret would disable it.

however, for a HEAT or MPAT to hit the turret, you'd have to go through the APS first.

the large system looks like DROZD-2

http://fofanov.armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/EQP/drozd.html

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a HEAT or MPAT to the turret would disable it.

however, for a HEAT or MPAT to hit the turret, you'd have to go through the APS first.

Unless you use HESH which are "top attack" munitions. :)

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Unless you use HESH which are "top attack" munitions. :)

????

Since when?

76mm HESH fired from a Scorpion isn't top attack, nor is 105mm HESH fired from the L7.

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Unless you use HESH which are "top attack" munitions. :)

If you're alluding to the steep trajectory - no, HESH is not. Try out a 3,500m shot on a static target in SB Pro and in the AAR look at the impact vector. It's notably pointing upwards (and that in itself is somewhat remarkable in comparison to other munitions) but even then the falling angle is still way, way below 45°.

EVEN IF it were close to 60° or so (making it practically useless to hit a target with a purely ballistic projectile at pretty much any range) I bet that the active defense system's sensors would still be able to detect it, and chances are that a lump of plastic explosives falling from the sky is susceptible enough to hardkill countermeasures.

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a HEAT or MPAT to the turret would disable it.

however, for a HEAT or MPAT to hit the turret, you'd have to go through the APS first.

the large system looks like DROZD-2

http://fofanov.armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/EQP/drozd.html

EVEN IF it were close to 60° or so (making it practically useless to hit a target with a purely ballistic projectile at pretty much any range) I bet that the active defense system's sensors would still be able to detect it, and chances are that a lump of plastic explosives falling from the sky is susceptible enough to hardkill countermeasures.

If it is DROZD-2, it can't defeat main gun rounds because they are above the maximum incoming speed limit. I have to question its capability to counter plunging fire because it's essentially a giant shotgun and limited in direction to where a tube is pointing.

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If it is DROZD-2, it can't defeat main gun rounds because they are above the maximum incoming speed limit. I have to question its capability to counter plunging fire because it's essentially a giant shotgun and limited in direction to where a tube is pointing.

Actually modified Drozd-series APS already demonstrated feasibility to defeat hypervelocity KE ammo(not speaking about CE stuff), this is not widely known, but already happened. T-14 doesn`t use Drozd or Drozd-2, but a further development of their concept and its ability to counter main gun ammo is said to be a primary feature; time will show, is this true or not.

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I just realized that all the sensors in a less armored and larger turret. It would be easier than going after the crew.

Where does the "less armored" part come from? Is this an assumption or did something come out from the Russians about it?

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Yes, "less armor" does not necessarily mean "less armored". There's much less internal volume which alone saves you literally tons of armor without necessarily sacrificing protection. But of course the emphasis on frontal protection may no longer apply, and you don't have to protect the weapon at all cost if you can replace it with comparative ease.

If the Russian army puts a higher emphasis on crew survival this will certainly influence the protection priorities somewhat.

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I wonder if there are plans for CR-2 Leo-2 M1A2 to have active protection Systems fitted

The Israelis have the trophy system fitted. I would speculate all the big military's have Developed or are in the process of developing some type of system.

The increase in protection for the crew and with MBT costing many millions per unit

Its a justifiable expense. IMO

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I wonder if there are plans for CR-2 Leo-2 M1A2 to have active protection Systems fitted

The Israelis have the trophy system fitted. I would speculate all the big military's have Developed or are in the process of developing some type of system.

The increase in protection for the crew and with MBT costing many millions per unit

Its a justifiable expense. IMO

Britain isn't fighting anyone at the minute that would justify the expense.

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Britain isn't fighting anyone at the minute that would justify the expense.

According to janes.

The CR-2 is scheduled for some upgraded components, the warrior is in the process of Getting a new turret and other upgrades if active protection systems are effective then

It is justifiable to do it sooner rather then later. its cheaper in the long run

This is the conclusion the Israelis came to after heavy losses in Lebanon

They were shocked at how effective some of the then latest Russian RPG/ ATGM's were.

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I wonder if there are plans for CR-2 Leo-2 M1A2 to have active protection Systems fitted

Leo 2 EVO for Singapore...

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Where does the "less armored" part come from? Is this an assumption or did something come out from the Russians about it?

"Less Armored" came from the question, "Is it probable the armor protection levels of the turret are equal to their last generation?"

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