Marko Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 IMO,The Key to a good VU is strong leadership.Constantly compromising to facilitate a number of different personality's Will in the long run only lead to the units demise.The main issue with a Game /sim like SB in order to run a mission in a authentic mannerYou need to base your planning on total adherence to the command structureExample. When a unit members states he does not want to follow a given order by his C/O That's where it all starts to go down hill. (again IOMO,)In the real military this would rarely happen.Your thoughts on this topic are welcome. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacbat Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Cookies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt DeFault Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Same thing that makes a good real-world unit: camaraderie. IMHO, of course. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted May 9, 2015 Members Share Posted May 9, 2015 IMO,The Key to a good VU is strong leadership.Constantly compromising to facilitate a number of different personality's Will in the long run only lead to the units demise.You can't force your definition of "fun" on everybody else, or you'll lose your group. From what I observed over the years, the inability to compromise seems to be one of the more important reasons why VUs eventually die after splitting up into sectarian groups first. Even if you put your definition of fun on public display and make the subscription of your ideas a precondition to membership acceptance there's no guarantee that people signing up will bother to read it first, or that they understand the same thing from it, or that they will take it seriously. So there will inevitably be disagreements, and aside from the offered incentive to play as a group you have next to no leverage to make VU members comply.Good leadership will take all this into consideration.Just my two cents. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusty Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Cookies.And Beer :drink: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenny Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 IMO,The Key to a good VU is strong leadership.Constantly compromising to facilitate a number of different personality's Will in the long run only lead to the units demise....Your thoughts on this topic are welcome.Well , if you are not able to find players with uniform peronalities(how boring ;-) ) you'll always have to compromise.In my experience, conflict rarely arises from in game issues or disagreement over the tactics in a scenario.They arise from people having personal issues with each other. If you are good, you may be able to mediate, in the limited extend that tex/voice only coms allow. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furia Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 For me a good VU is defined by an organization that have a clear concept of what it wants to be and that is able to recruit people that share tha concept and kindly dismisses people that joins the organization pretending to change its charter 100%.A good VU is developed around a solid central idea that is shared by its members. A clear idea of "Who we are, what we want and how we like it done"A very strong or authoritative leadership is not desired for several reasons but most important because since this is a hobby, volunteer activity, members enjoy being integrated and being part of the organization. Thus making them feel involved in the VU developement and operations instead just following "orders" from the "Supreme Leader". A good VU would continue to operate normally regarless the Supreme Leader is on vacation, having exams, or simply offline due RL.On the other hand a bad VU is the one perosnalized on the personal preferences and wishes of the leader and creator and that changes its concept, ideas, modus operandi just to satisfy the leader wishes and moods.Such organizations use to have a short lifespan.IMHO :clin: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacbat Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 And Beer :drink:Mega! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 A VU were everyone knows what they're doing, sings from the same hymn sheet, and were everyone gets along makes a good VU. Simples....also Beer and/or Cake. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacquero Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 I always thought a lack of over controlling asshats, helped quite a bit. Plus a level of maturity and the realization, that none of this is real. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt DeFault Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 the realization, that none of this is real.+1 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenny Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 I always thought a lack of over controlling asshats, helped quite a bit. Plus a level of maturity and the realization, that none of this is real.+1 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 I always thought a lack of over controlling asshats, helped quite a bit. Plus a level of maturity and the realization, that none of this is real.+1 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marko Posted May 10, 2015 Author Share Posted May 10, 2015 IMO,The Key to a good VU is strong leadership.Constantly compromising to facilitate a number of different personality's Will in the long run only lead to the units demise.The main issue with a Game /sim like SB in order to run a mission in a authentic mannerYou need to base your planning on total adherence to the command structureExample. When a unit members states he does not want to follow a given order by his C/O That's where it all starts to go down hill. (again IOMO,)In the real military this would rarely happen.Your thoughts on this topic are welcome.Just to elaborate a little on my original postRespect plays an important part in any VU when members do not respect each otherThe unit is doomed again (its just my Opinion)But if you lose the respect of you subordinates its time to quit as C/OThis is basically what happened to the VU I started so that's what I did.Not wishing to open old wounds I have always lived by the mantra leave the past where it Belongs. I started this post as I have noticed a marked interest in start up VU's which Is great to see I have long held the view SB is at its best in MP.So I thought a discussion about same may be of benefit to the community 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumituisku Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 I always thought a lack of over controlling asshats, helped quite a bit. Plus a level of maturity and the realization, that none of this is real.+1 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjay Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 And Beer :drink:Wine is also acceptable. :luxhello: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TankHunter Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 A VU were everyone knows what they're doing, sings from the same hymn sheet, and were everyone gets along makes a good VU. Simples....also Beer and/or Cake.The cake is a lie. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 The cake is a lie.AWWWGGGHHH!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Wine is also acceptable. :luxhello: For the members, or for the CO to calm their nerves after the cat herding? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjay Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 For the C.O to get up enough courage to do the cat herding in the first place. I find Mcguigan Estates Shiraz ideal. For the members, or for the CO to calm their nerves after the cat herding? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boner Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 what makes a good VU/Clan ill tell you what and its simple .it all starts with the vu leaders they need to be open minded intelligent strong leaders not spineless worms who have hissy fits they need to be inspiring ,positive, owner able peeps if there is more then one vu leader then they need to be on the same page( .I.E direction ) be it here or some were else leadership is the key and of course the beer and wine don't hurt also throw in tons of fun good battles and laughs =#1 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashdivay Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 what makes a good VU/Clan ill tell you what and its simple .it all starts with the vu leaders they need to be open minded intelligent strong leaders not spineless worms who have hissy fits they need to be inspiring ,positive, owner able peeps if there is more then one vu leader then they need to be on the same page( .I.E direction ) be it here or some were else leadership is the key and of course the beer and wine don't hurt also throw in tons of fun good battles and laughs =#1Well said.Its important that leader of a vu not abuse his power to target a member his own vu just because he has personal differences with the member.Leader must rise above such primitive thinking. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacbat Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 If there were personal differences to begin with, then the "member" shouldn't have been allowed to join in the first place. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacquero Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 If there were personal differences to begin with, then the "member" shouldn't have been allowed to join in the first place.Or, that's where that level of maturity comes in handy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjay Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 IMHO a successful V.U is one in which the members are having fun - whether that be with a casual gaming style or hardcore simulation. Other people's opinions are irrelevant. :clin: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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