Gibsonm Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Of course its great to have new people joining but is there a chance we can set up a single "new people post here" type thread? Then we could have a central thread where they could read about other new people's experiences and also have one place to list "new person" resources. I'm more than happy to keep posting this link: http://www.steelbeasts.com/sbforums/showpost.php?p=272965&postcount=5 But then the new person has to click on it to read it and its one more barrier. If it was in the thread (along with other players hopefully helpful hints) then a new person would have a "one stop shop" and those trying to help wouldn't be repeating themselves as much. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted June 15, 2015 Members Share Posted June 15, 2015 Do you want it more like an announcement, or as a sticky thread?Stickies tend to accumulate a crust of irrelevant or obsolete postings (case in point, the "My CodeMeter isn't working" thread; I should probably create a new one). If it's set as an announcement no replies can be added except for (hopefully) carefully composed messages by board administrators.Feel free to create a thread and I'll turn it into whatever you want. I suppose you know better than most what kind of information should be posted in the first message which arguably is the most important one in such a thread. Not every new user will read these announcement threads, though. Just sayin'. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted June 15, 2015 Author Share Posted June 15, 2015 Yes I'm sure there will those new people you don't know where to look (or are the "who reads the FM" types). I just thought it might be useful to have a "front door" here so new people can say "hello", we can say "welcome" back and who knows either learn by reading some of the resources posted or even talk to each other so new people could perhaps play other new people and crack that first "I'm too green for multi player" barrier. As for an announcement / versus sticky I think sticky would be OK because then the replies would also be in the one thread. I guess if it got too big, we could archive and start over. I think it would be useful to have information up front (not at the end of a link). I'll draft something and put it here. BTW, I'm not saying I'm the only person with all the answers, if others wanted to add stuff (maybe VU profiles to inform new people and what not) that would be fine with me. Ideally we could avoid "My VU is better than your VU" type squabbles. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenny Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 We may have to thank a youtuber for that."DevilDogGamer"(??), he has quiete a few followers. Good promo I'd say!!And agreed, there should be a sticke with some basic info on all the active/available VU's for new players to get Info...Idealy in the opening post. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marko Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Of course its great to have new people joining but is there a chance we can set up a single "new people post here" type thread?Then we could have a central thread where they could read about other new people's experiences and also have one place to list "new person" resources. I'm more than happy to keep posting this link: http://www.steelbeasts.com/sbforums/showpost.php?p=272965&postcount=5 But then the new person has to click on it to read it and its one more barrier. If it was in the thread (along with other players hopefully helpful hints) then a new person would have a "one stop shop" and those trying to help wouldn't be repeating themselves as much. +1 Have been thinking some type of thread would be beneficial I also think some type of annual newbie meet up on TeamSpeak With experienced players hosting and answering questions I do realise most VU's already offer this facility But a lot of people don't like being the only new guy in the pack. Just a thought. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Sean Posted June 15, 2015 Administrators Share Posted June 15, 2015 Start a wiki page on this, and I will copy into a post (or just link to the wiki). It would be nice if we can consolidate a lot of the sticky threads since I would guess most do not read them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted June 15, 2015 Author Share Posted June 15, 2015 But a wiki is just the same issue as me linking to an earlier post. The new person has to click on the link to go to the Wiki or the post. Whilst I understand the arguments about possible "spoon feeding" etc. I think requiring some one to click on a link is another barrier. If its "in your face" on the page with no links then there is more likelihood that people will actually read it. As opposed to a mass of "how do I ..." type posts which then shifts the burden back to us to post the information again and again in response to posts that are almost duplicates from each successive new person (not the new person's fault because they don't know if the question has been asked before, or the answer may not appear on their page if they only display so many posts, etc.). I'm trying to reduce / eliminate barriers to entry, no matter how small we may think they are. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Sean Posted June 16, 2015 Administrators Share Posted June 16, 2015 Someone will have to click something to see what is in the sticky. I can cut and paste what is in the wiki. The problem is boiling down everything a new guy would need to know down into the space of one post. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacbat Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 One post? That's easy: 1. RTFM. 2. The forum is equipped with a search function. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted June 16, 2015 Author Share Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) Start a wiki page on this, and I will copy into a post (or just link to the wiki).OK.MAJ_Fubar standby for a PM on how to create a new page (or I guess duplicate an existing one and edit it to suit)? Edited June 16, 2015 by Gibsonm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJ_Fubar Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Roger that... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 One post? That's easy:1. RTFM. 2. The forum is equipped with a search function. Seconded Might I also add? The user manual is located here."C:\Program Files\eSim Games\SB Pro PE\docs" SBProManual.pdf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted June 17, 2015 Author Share Posted June 17, 2015 Alright,If you are one of the recent "new people" can you have a look here:http://www.steelbeasts.com/sbwiki/index.php?title=Starter_Packand let me know if that covers what you think are the key points.If I've missed something - let me know.Also if you are from a VU can you have a look and provide me with the details to flesh out your section?Once its complete I'll work out how to integrate it into the Wiki's table of contents, etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Still working my way through the camp hornfeldt stuff, about halfway through now. Tried the tanks scenario and promptly got killed. I have a fairly limited amount of time to devote to the sim at this point but I'll keep slogging forward. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted June 17, 2015 Author Share Posted June 17, 2015 Ok, but what do you think about the Wiki entry? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted June 17, 2015 Author Share Posted June 17, 2015 SecondedMight I also add?You could but it isn't right for everyone.My copy on this laptop is in:C:\Games\SB Pro PE 3.025\docsMy copy at home on the Desktop is in:G:\Games\SB Pro PE 3.025\docsIt all depends where the person installed the software. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted June 18, 2015 Members Share Posted June 18, 2015 The place where everybody will find it is the Start menu \ eSim Games\ SB Pro PE\docs ... unless of course you're on a Windows 8 machine without Classic Shell installed, in which case you can't be helped. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 GibsonI don't think a single thread is the best way to present the information because the original post will eventually grow into a wall of text that will be buried under pages and pages of following posts as Ssnake noted. A better solution is to create a new section for it on the non-forum part of sb.com. I am willing to work with you in putting it together if this is something you want to do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ssnake Posted June 18, 2015 Members Share Posted June 18, 2015 Like I wrote, it can be made a sticky that then gets closed, so no additional posting is allowed for anyone except forum admins. We'd then create a separate thread for the suggestion of amendments to the sticky, and copy useful suggestions over. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 That is presuming a person will visit the forum at all. If he does visit sb.com, they arrive at the site part for certain. The wall of text will still be an issue for the TLDR people.P.S. I'm fine with whatever route is taken. I'm just offering another option. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 the TLDR people.*Sigh* This is what's wrong with humanity 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenny Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 *Sigh* This is what's wrong with humanityNo. I some cases it is.justified. often there is no need to inflate text when the necessary information can be given in a few short paragraphs.So in my pov homer has a point: as much info as needed...as compact as possible 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted June 18, 2015 Author Share Posted June 18, 2015 Ssnake, Homer, and everyone else with a post count over 30, Sean asked me to create a Wiki, so I did. I'm now asking the new people to review it (if you guys will stop hiding that post with your "stuff"). Once they tell me they are happy I'll link it up and then people can expand the Wiki. Thanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonm Posted June 18, 2015 Author Share Posted June 18, 2015 So again:Alright,If you are one of the recent "new people" can you have a look here:http://www.steelbeasts.com/sbwiki/index.php?title=Starter_Packand let me know if that covers what you think are the key points.If I've missed something - let me know.Also if you are from a VU can you have a look and provide me with the details to flesh out your section?Once its complete I'll work out how to integrate it into the Wiki's table of contents, etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 A suggestion is to add labels to the sections so the info is easier to find. For example:1. LEARNING TO PLAY WITH YOURSELF (haha) A. Through Experience B. Through Reading2. PLAYING WITH OTHERS A. Regular Events B. Semi-Regular Events C. Organized Groups 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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