IrishHussar Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/6lv2we 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacbat Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 Absolutly! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShotMagnet Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 A bit stingy with our awards, it seems. That man certainly IMHO deserves the VC.Shot 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieB Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 Full operational Awards list will be out tommorow - some very brave and selfless individuals!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norfolk Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 I must be confused or misinformed; I thought the George Cross was awarded only to civilians. In any case, a VC is probably what is really owed to the L/C. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieB Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 Just to clarrify,In simple terms the Victoria Cross is awarded for act of sefless bravery in the face of the enemy. The George cross is awarded for the same level of bravery but not under contact.In this situation the incident and act were caused by a booby trap and not during direct enemy action. If the same event had occured whilst under contact with the Taliban then a VC would be considered.I know it is picking at the finer detail, and some would disagree, but the rule are there to preserve the honour of these top awards.Charlie B 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShotMagnet Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 I can see that, but couldn't 'in the face of the enemy' be extended to lethal toys that the enemy throws your way?Shot 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 Well, what award would this brave and plainly rational guy be recommended for if he was a yank? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShotMagnet Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 Not trying to stir the pot, really. I'm only suggesting that someone who throws himself on a live grenade to save his mates clearly deserves at least the best that can be had when it comes to awards. I realize that they should be very hard to get or they become meaningless, but what does it take to win a VC if you don't rate for saving your pals? Under fire or not, if you take it upon yourself to offer yourself up you demonstrate the same sort of gallantry since you undertake the same risk. You're just as dead if you volunteer on the instant to absorb a grenade to save the lives of your squaddies, no matter where you do it. Again, not trying to start an argument. I was voicing an opinion; I've backed my opinion, I'll sit down and be quiet now.Shot 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotTom Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 Well, what award would this brave and plainly rational guy be recommended for if he was a yank?In the U.S. Army, it's called The Soldier's Medal (the other US services have similar awards) and it the highest non-combat award, given exclusively for valor in a non-combat situation, usually involving saving the lives of others.That pretty much sounds like what this fellow did and he certainly deserves it.http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/sm.shtmlHe would not qualify for a Medal of Honor but I guarantee the Soldier's Medal is viewed with just as much respect and (in my case at least) awe. I recommended several of my MPs who were seriously injured doing extraordinarily dangerous things -- we're talking leaping into flaming vehicles and aircraft here -- in non-combat situations to save others and they didn't receive them. It's not an award granted lightly or frequently.It ranks one notch below the MOH and is considered the equivalent of the Distinguished Service Cross, Navy Cross or Distinguished Flying Cross.I've almost certainly seen more blue MOH ribbons than Soldier's Medals. They don't come cheap and I gather the British version, the George Cross, is the same.HT 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarball Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 I wonder how much of this is valor on the part of the man or training and docrtine? Clearly he is a thoughtful and brave man giving exemplary service, but my curiosity remains: nature, nurture or a combo?OT a little: it is nice to see so many Western (and other parts of the civilized world) armies cooperating in Afghanistan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingtiger Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 OT a little: it is nice to see so many Western (and other parts of the civilized world) armies cooperating in Afghanistan.Sweden did a big mistake there, we sent Wahrborg and BMP-Trekker down there :biggrin: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trekker Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 Well, right now we´r at home so i guess the swedes are behaving. On tuesday we return and can start our havoc again 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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