hawes Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 British Army considers new MBT in response to Russia's Armatahttp://www.janes.com/article/54672/dsei-2015-british-army-considers-new-mbt-in-response-to-russia-s-armata 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marko Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 British Army considers new MBT in response to Russia's Armatahttp://www.janes.com/article/54672/dsei-2015-british-army-considers-new-mbt-in-response-to-russia-s-armataThey need to fit a 120 smoothbore and develop a APS for the CR-2.The MOD looked in to fitting a smoothbore to the CR-2 a good while ago but decided against It as it was believed the riffled 120 could handle any potential Opfor MBT at the time.looks like there having to rethink that decision.I don't see the treasury forking out for new tanks any time soon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Another factor is you would have to redesign the turret interior layout.CR-2 is built around 3 piece ammo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marko Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Another factor is you would have to redesign the turret interior layout.CR-2 is built around 3 piece ammo.Probably still be cheaper then buying off the shelf One other possibility is for the UK to co-fund a new design like say the proposed leo-3To start a new design from scratch would cost billions and take years.But if they do buy off the shelf IMO, I would go for the M1A2 SEP with the new diesel engine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 There's also the political clout from designing and building your own MBT design.But Britain would have to start from square 2 or 3.(I.e. Build a factory) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertsaint101 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 whatever happened to the CR-2E3 wasn't that going to be a smooth bore barrel with a totally unique hunter killer system? I think they need to upgrade the kettle on it aswell 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12Alfa Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 The UK only needs to replace the C2 if and only when the new Russian tank proves to be what is advertised, and, only if they export said tank with all the proven systems.At this point I think we can agree that all of this is just some publicity stunt, given that the tank broke down on the parade to showcase it, it's not the final production tank, and has not be tested against any western tank.Keep calm, relax and wait to see if this develops into a threat. Also is the UK thinking of fighting a tank battle with Russia? Seems realy remote, best worrie about migrants I would think right now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dejawolf Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 The UK only needs to replace the C2 if and only when the new Russian tank proves to be what is advertised, and, only if they export said tank with all the proven systems.At this point I think we can agree that all of this is just some publicity stunt, given that the tank broke down on the parade to showcase it, it's not the final production tank, and has not be tested against any western tank.the publicity stunt has a working turret, working displays, a working gun, and drives under it's own power. quite different from the iranian zulfiqar that has to be driven around on a tank transporter. and it was one tank breaking down during parade rehersal. the parade itself went without a hitch.leopard 1 had an engine failure during a 250km road test, and major engine and transmission failures generally through it's few initial years. the chieftain constantly broke down even in it's final form. Abrams had engine and transmission issues which were later rectified. My point is that any new transmission or engine is going to have issues. give the russians 2 or 3 years and they'll have ironed them out. so therefore i think it's wise for the brits to consider upgrading the challenger. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marko Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 (edited) whatever happened to the CR-2E3 wasn't that going to be a smooth bore barrel with a totally unique hunter killer system?I think they need to upgrade the kettle on it aswell After the CR-2 did so badly in the Greek army trials. I think it was pretty much the end of the project. Edited September 23, 2015 by Marko 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brun Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 The UK want's to send a signal to the Bear that they mean business by talking about a potential new MBT. At the same time the UK's armed forces are at their weakest since the battle of Waterloo. I am sure Putin is shaking in his boots. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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